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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #10 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm
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The reason that the US spends so much is because it wants to.

There's history here. Post-War, there are numerous examples of American political and industrial interests undermining national defence programmes in Europe.  Some of these were quite covert, like the diminution of the British ærospace industry between 1945-60 or so, some pretty open, like the gift of Patton tanks to France which effectively paused their tank industry's restart for a few years. Note that the French were well placed then to re-equip the West German forces.

The Germans, by the way, took 1100 M-47 Pattons.

Whining about who spends most on NATO is one of those American things which few Americans can see from any angle but their own. There have been several threads on this, and the LNF position seems to be, laughably,  that the kindly, altruistic US of A keeps European defence budgets covered so that lazy Germans and Danes can have free healthcare, porn and beer.

It's a blind spot in American political understanding.
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #11 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 1:36pm
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billy.pilgrim wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 11:55am:
wonder why mr. braveheart you're fired didn't have the guts to bring in up to merkel


It was brought up in the interview that you foolishly linked to in a different thread thinking that Trump was talking all by himself.  You're a dumbass.
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #12 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm
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Limey wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
The reason that the US spends so much is because it wants to.

There's history here. Post-War, there are numerous examples of American political and industrial interests undermining national defence programmes in Europe.  Some of these were quite covert, like the diminution of the British ærospace industry between 1945-60 or so, some pretty open, like the gift of Patton tanks to France which effectively paused their tank industry's restart for a few years. Note that the French were well placed then to re-equip the West German forces.

The Germans, by the way, took 1100 M-47 Pattons.

Whining about who spends most on NATO is one of those American things which few Americans can see from any angle but their own. There have been several threads on this, and the LNF position seems to be, laughably,  that the kindly, altruistic US of A keeps European defence budgets covered so that lazy Germans and Danes can have free healthcare, porn and beer.

It's a blind spot in American political understanding.


What self-serving euro bullshit.  Grin  Here's a clue for you:

We're TIRED of your parasitism.   We're tired of your damned wars that have gone on for centuries.  With your damned colonialism and your damned wars, you've spread death, millions of people, over the whole planet for centuries.
  
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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #13 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 7:26pm
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patrick2 wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
What self-serving euro bullshit.  Grin  Here's a clue for you:

We're TIRED of your parasitism.   We're tired of your damned wars that have gone on for centuries.  With your damned colonialism and your damned wars, you've spread death, millions of people, over the whole planet for centuries.


Lol.

I know it hurts to think about this Patrick (and if Archie or Stu are reading.... I know it just hurts to think, yeah, guys?).

Tell me. Why would the US do the whole NATO thing? 

In whose interest is it?
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #14 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:29pm
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You aren't surprised because you are a lackey of the left. Nothing the left can do would strike you as wrong. Germany living off of the sweat of Americans is just fine with you. Why not pay for their standard of living while ours declines?


That's not what's happening.

Or, rather,  it's not lazy Germans sponging off American taxpayers.

American taxpayers must want this, or they wouldn't have kept on voting for it.

Or maybe it's the American military hardware salesmen setting the tone; in which case, the American taxpayer must be OK with it, or they wouldn't keep voting for the politicians who facilitate it
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #15 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:32pm
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Limey wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
That's not what's happening.

Or, rather,  it's not lazy Germans sponging off American taxpayers.

American taxpayers must want this, or they wouldn't have kept on voting for it.

Or maybe it's the American military hardware salesmen setting the tone; in which case, the American taxpayer must be OK with it, or they wouldn't keep voting for the politicians who facilitate it

We don't vote for it and most people aren't aware of it.
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #16 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 9:12pm
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Bert and the Technicolor nuns wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:32pm:
We don't vote for it and most people aren't aware of it.



Are you saying that the American electorate is stupid?
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #17 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm
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JohnnyBgood wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 11:48am:
The world owes us. Just like the Indians for all that free college 

And the U.S. owes the Indians for the land it stole.
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #18 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 9:20pm
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I don't know.


I bet Mr. Pratt,  Mr. Whitney,  and Gen. Dynamics know.
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
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