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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #20 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm
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What exactly did the idiots expect the Germans to say? Yeah, Trump's right, were leeches. Roll Eyes
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #21 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 12:51am
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Limey wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
That's not what's happening.

Or, rather,  it's not lazy Germans sponging off American taxpayers.

American taxpayers must want this, or they wouldn't have kept on voting for it.

Or maybe it's the American military hardware salesmen setting the tone; in which case, the American taxpayer must be OK with it, or they wouldn't keep voting for the politicians who facilitate it


A vast majority of voters are ignorant and really shouldn't be voting.

Despite that, the perception is shifting in America towards a view that NATO members are not providing enough for it's own defense, aren't contributing their fair share, and are therefore shifting their resources from defense to social spending.

It is an accurate view.
  

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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #22 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:31am
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Europe is declining faster than the US, with its low indigenous birth rate and its importation of millions of unassimilated muslims.  We need to cut them loose.
  
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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #23 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 6:36am
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Lomelis wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 12:51am:
A vast majority of voters are ignorant and really shouldn't be voting.


Ooooh, controversial!  Nietzche, much? Grin

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Despite that, the perception is shifting in America towards a view that NATO members are not providing enough for it's own defense, aren't contributing their fair share, and are therefore shifting their resources from defense to social spending.

It is an accurate view.


Yes, it's accurate and at the same time not by any means the whole story.

I've yet to hear an American,  here or elsewhere,  discuss Western defence matters other than through the puzzling prism that assumes this unlikely altruism I mentioned.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #24 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:05am
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These are fun times.   Cheesy  Cheesy

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/the-leader-of-the-free-world-meet...

The leader of the free world and bad boy Donnie.

  
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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #25 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:22am
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Limey wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
The reason that the US spends so much is because it wants to.

There's history here. Post-War, there are numerous examples of American political and industrial interests undermining national defence programmes in Europe.  Some of these were quite covert, like the diminution of the British ærospace industry between 1945-60 or so, some pretty open, like the gift of Patton tanks to France which effectively paused their tank industry's restart for a few years. Note that the French were well placed then to re-equip the West German forces.

The Germans, by the way, took 1100 M-47 Pattons.

Whining about who spends most on NATO is one of those American things which few Americans can see from any angle but their own. There have been several threads on this, and the LNF position seems to be, laughably,  that the kindly, altruistic US of A keeps European defence budgets covered so that lazy Germans and Danes can have free healthcare, porn and beer.

It's a blind spot in American political understanding.

Americans don't have blind spots, they have spots of clarity amidst the pitch black darkness.
  

Non sequitur:

Bert and the Technicolor nuns wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Germans say Trump is a damned liar about owing money to NATO and the US
Reply #26 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:23am
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senecaII wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:05am:



Poor little man can't stand being next to a powerful woman.
  

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