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What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:26am
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In 2015, Republicans were given the Senate, therefore control of one branch of government. The refrain changed to, “No matter what we pass, the president will veto it, and we don’t have the votes to override that veto.”

OK, fine. That’s all true. But the problem was they didn’t even try. Congress has power as a co-equal branch of government, yet no effort was exerted toward the promise on which they campaigned.

So now voters have given a second branch of government to the Republicans, and what do we have?

House Republicans have introduced the “American Health Care Act,” the legislative equivalent of Hangover 2. Hangover 2 was a slightly different version of The Hangover, but aside from the setting, you wouldn’t know the difference.

The biggest problem with the AHCA is it leaves in place the concept that it is the responsibility of the federal government to provide health insurance for Americans who don’t have employer-provided coverage. Aside from changing tax law to allow people in the individual market to buy insurance with pre-tax dollars and allowing for the purchase of insurance across state lines, the federal government has no business in the health insurance game.


Seven years they had to come up with an idea, and we get a tweak. For seven years, we were told they knew the way, and we get this.


A golden opportunity in the cause of liberty will have been squandered because, after seven years of talk, Republicans could not do the one thing they told us they would; the reason they were in the position to disappoint us in the first place. It’s time to start over and do it right – if Speaker Ryan and the rest of Republican leadership actually have it in them to do what they’ve campaigned on.


https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2017/03/19/what-was-the-point-of-win...
  
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
Reply #1 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:30am
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In 2015, Republicans were given the Senate, therefore control of one branch of government. The refrain changed to, “No matter what we pass, the president will veto it, and we don’t have the votes to override that veto.”

OK, fine. That’s all true. But the problem was they didn’t even try. Congress has power as a co-equal branch of government, yet no effort was exerted toward the promise on which they campaigned.

So now voters have given a second branch of government to the Republicans, and what do we have?

House Republicans have introduced the “American Health Care Act,” the legislative equivalent of Hangover 2. Hangover 2 was a slightly different version of The Hangover, but aside from the setting, you wouldn’t know the difference.

The biggest problem with the AHCA is it leaves in place the concept that it is the responsibility of the federal government to provide health insurance for Americans who don’t have employer-provided coverage. Aside from changing tax law to allow people in the individual market to buy insurance with pre-tax dollars and allowing for the purchase of insurance across state lines, the federal government has no business in the health insurance game.


Seven years they had to come up with an idea, and we get a tweak. For seven years, we were told they knew the way, and we get this.


A golden opportunity in the cause of liberty will have been squandered because, after seven years of talk, Republicans could not do the one thing they told us they would; the reason they were in the position to disappoint us in the first place. It’s time to start over and do it right – if Speaker Ryan and the rest of Republican leadership actually have it in them to do what they’ve campaigned on.


https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2017/03/19/what-was-the-point-of-win...



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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
Reply #2 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:12am
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“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

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Reply #3 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:35am
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In 2015, Republicans were given the Senate, therefore control of one branch of government. The refrain changed to, “No matter what we pass, the president will veto it, and we don’t have the votes to override that veto.”

OK, fine. That’s all true. But the problem was they didn’t even try. Congress has power as a co-equal branch of government, yet no effort was exerted toward the promise on which they campaigned.

So now voters have given a second branch of government to the Republicans, and what do we have?

House Republicans have introduced the “American Health Care Act,” the legislative equivalent of Hangover 2. Hangover 2 was a slightly different version of The Hangover, but aside from the setting, you wouldn’t know the difference.

The biggest problem with the AHCA is it leaves in place the concept that it is the responsibility of the federal government to provide health insurance for Americans who don’t have employer-provided coverage. Aside from changing tax law to allow people in the individual market to buy insurance with pre-tax dollars and allowing for the purchase of insurance across state lines, the federal government has no business in the health insurance game.


Seven years they had to come up with an idea, and we get a tweak. For seven years, we were told they knew the way, and we get this.


A golden opportunity in the cause of liberty will have been squandered because, after seven years of talk, Republicans could not do the one thing they told us they would; the reason they were in the position to disappoint us in the first place. It’s time to start over and do it right – if Speaker Ryan and the rest of Republican leadership actually have it in them to do what they’ve campaigned on.


https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2017/03/19/what-was-the-point-of-win...

They didn't try.  That is so true.  That is because they are too stupid to know how government works.  All they know is obstruction.
  

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
Reply #4 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:52am
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Everyone is always disappointed with what their party, president or representative accomplishes.

The left didn't want Obama to pass financial reform which privileged big banks. They didn't want him to continue the drone assassination program, nor did they want coups in Lybia, Syria or the Ukraine. They didn't want a continuation of the mass surveillance of all our communications.

But that is exactly what they got.

Politicians sell all kinds of promises but ultimately the outcome of the political system is not something any single person can control.

All systems are governed by an internal logic or structure.

The political system is no different. It is designed with many points of leverage and power. Authority and decision-making is diffuse. And ultimately special interest money determines what is to be done.

We need to temper this tendency to view the failings of the political system as failings of specific people- people whom we merely need to replace to get a better outcome.

All too often that idea simply is not so.

We do not just have a politician problem. Nor do we just have a citizenry problem. We also have a systems problem.

And until we understand what is wrong with the structure of incentives associated with political systems, even democratic republics like the US, we will never solve the big social issues of our day.

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:52am
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Wadsworth wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:35am:
All they know is obstruction.


The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:05pm
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Fiddler wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:52am:
The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
- P. J. O'Rourke     Grin


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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:23pm
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In 2015, Republicans were given the Senate, therefore control of one branch of government. The refrain changed to, “No matter what we pass, the president will veto it, and we don’t have the votes to override that veto.”

OK, fine. That’s all true. But the problem was they didn’t even try. Congress has power as a co-equal branch of government, yet no effort was exerted toward the promise on which they campaigned.

So now voters have given a second branch of government to the Republicans, and what do we have?

House Republicans have introduced the “American Health Care Act,” the legislative equivalent of Hangover 2. Hangover 2 was a slightly different version of The Hangover, but aside from the setting, you wouldn’t know the difference.

The biggest problem with the AHCA is it leaves in place the concept that it is the responsibility of the federal government to provide health insurance for Americans who don’t have employer-provided coverage. Aside from changing tax law to allow people in the individual market to buy insurance with pre-tax dollars and allowing for the purchase of insurance across state lines, the federal government has no business in the health insurance game.


Seven years they had to come up with an idea, and we get a tweak. For seven years, we were told they knew the way, and we get this.


A golden opportunity in the cause of liberty will have been squandered because, after seven years of talk, Republicans could not do the one thing they told us they would; the reason they were in the position to disappoint us in the first place. It’s time to start over and do it right – if Speaker Ryan and the rest of Republican leadership actually have it in them to do what they’ve campaigned on.


https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2017/03/19/what-was-the-point-of-win...


Wanted to do something about Obamacare? The wrong Republican got elected. We will spend the next 4 years running around like headless chickens going from one shitstorm to the next because of the tweeter-in-chief and his incompetence.
  

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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:41pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:35am:
They didn't try.  That is so true.  That is because they are too stupid to know how government works.  All they know is obstruction.


No, they obstructed very little - that was their problem. Plus a very reason why Obama was able to score virtually everything he wanted.
  
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Re: What Was the Point of Winning the Election?
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glen65 wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:41pm:
No, they obstructed very little - that was their problem. Plus a very reason why Obama was able to score virtually everything he wanted. 

No, Obama wanted infrastructure, universal pre-K and free community college, the American Jobs Act, gun reform, and increasing the MW.  The senate were obstructionist and prevented all of that.
  

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