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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #60 - Jun 12th, 2017 at 4:17pm
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Limey wrote on Jun 12th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
Matthew 15: 22 -28

Canaanite woman, not syro-pheonician.


Or were they synonymous?
 


So I am going to quote the passage below and then I will quote it again but in the terms as the Jews saw it in their times.  As I said, context is very important to understand Jesus intent.

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Now below I will interpret as the Jews and this woman understood Jesus was saying.

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the blessings of Israel and toss it to the Gentiles.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the Gentiles eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

The point is that the Jews considered us, Gentiles, as dogs.  Their culture understood God's blessing upon their people because of Abraham and on down.  The Gentiles were known for worshiping false gods and were not considered to receive the blessing of God.  Instead the woman recognized him for who he is, the Messiah who could show compassion and would.  Note verse 28, he state she had great faith.  That is an amazing statement for Jesus about this woman who understood him better then his own teachers of the law.  He was impressed by her faith.  You can go here to read on the study of this passage.  As I stated, context is everything and understanding the Jewish customs and lifestyle is critical to understanding their times.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/15-26.htm
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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #61 - Jun 12th, 2017 at 4:22pm
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Limey wrote on Jun 12th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
Matthew 15: 22 -28

Canaanite woman, not syro-pheonician.


Or were they synonymous?
 


Anyone who was not a Jew was seen as a Gentile, Heathen or, as they often referred to someone not a Jew, a dog.
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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #62 - Jun 12th, 2017 at 6:34pm
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Yeah, I know all that.


I was just pointing you at the verses.

You are both welcome,  by the way.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #63 - Jun 12th, 2017 at 9:33pm
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Rathbone wrote on Apr 6th, 2017 at 1:06pm:
Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?

If you want a serious answer to this question, start with the Enlightenment - Hume, Kant, etc. Read Bentham and John Stuart Mill. Keep moving forward. A good reference point would be Edmund Fawcett's Liberalism: The Life of an Idea, which covers the growth and evolution of liberalism from 1830 through the present.

This is also a good reference: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/
  
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Reply #64 - Jun 12th, 2017 at 10:25pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 12th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
The point is that the Jews considered us, Gentiles, as dogs.


Yes, and the point is, so did Jesus.  He called her a little dog, and said she did not deserve his help.  And this was already after she called him Lord and Son of David.  He didn't help her or compliment her faith until she embarrassed him.
  

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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #65 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 3:42am
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Running Deer wrote on Jun 12th, 2017 at 10:25pm:
Yes, and the point is, so did Jesus.  He called her a little dog, and said she did not deserve his help.  And this was already after she called him Lord and Son of David.  He didn't help her or compliment her faith until she embarrassed him.



I think it's kind of a Job thing. God punishes Job for no reason to see if he'll keep his faith in him... Since Job did keep his faith he was rewarded in the end...

The parallel between the stories is obvious.
  

Non sequitur:

Donkey Hoe Tay wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #66 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 5:12am
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Running Deer wrote on Jun 12th, 2017 at 10:25pm:
Yes, and the point is, so did Jesus.  He called her a little dog, and said she did not deserve his help.  And this was already after she called him Lord and Son of David.  He didn't help her or compliment her faith until she embarrassed him.

Then, as I have stated to you before, you do not understand the context of scripture.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #67 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 10:26am
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 5:12am:
Then, as I have stated to you before, you do not understand the context of scripture.

You couldn't even find the passage he was talking about when it took me a couple of minutes. You call yourself an expert?
  

Non sequitur:

Donkey Hoe Tay wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #68 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 11:10am
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BowHunter wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 10:26am:
You couldn't even find the passage he was talking about when it took me a couple of minutes. You call yourself an expert?

Dodging again.  It appears you do not want to discuss, but that's how you roll.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: Where do I go to find the roots of liberal morality?
Reply #69 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 1:02pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 13th, 2017 at 11:10am:
Dodging again.  It appears you do not want to discuss, but that's how you roll.

You don't want to discuss either which makes your remark  extremely hypocritical, you keep telling people that they don't understand the context of scripture as if you were a great authority on it but you never expand on it.

Physician heal thyself!*


*FYI, that's from the bible.
  

Non sequitur:

Donkey Hoe Tay wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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