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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #50 - Apr 13th, 2017 at 10:02pm
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Josie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 4:30pm:
21st century wars are fought differently now, perhaps this why Trump saw NATO as obsolete?


Trump is changing his tune because he is allowing his generals to have more influence.  Absolutely nothing has changed on the European commitment to NATO or NATO's mission.  NATO isn't doing anything more than it already has been doing.  NATO saying it can do more is nothing more than saying "America can do more while everybody else kicks back".

He is once again backing down from another important campaign message.
  

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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #51 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 7:12am
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Archie wrote on Apr 12th, 2017 at 9:32pm:
That’s right. [highlight]They will pay their share,[/highlight] they will do their part in troubles around the world, or we won’t pay, and NATO is no more. And they know it, and are probably praying Hillary runs again.

Smiley


Is that a guarantee?  Or just a  fart in the wind vain words? Huh Huh Huh
  

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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #52 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 11:08am
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Josie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Well I don't think NATO is obsolete, but I agree with the president that they could and should be doing more...

How much more? Sharing intelligence is all well good as it relates to identifying threats to NATO member states, but how much further do you think it should go?

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This is what NATO says their purpose is now...

See question above; how far should that extend beyond the defense of NATO member states?
  
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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #53 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 11:17am
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Demos wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 11:08am:
How much more? Sharing intelligence is all well good as it relates to identifying threats to NATO member states, but how much further do you think it should go?

See question above; how far should that extend beyond the defense of NATO member states?


They should actually defend NATO member states. Doing so includes the terrorist threat as well as providing an acceptable level, at this time defined as a certain level of GNP, to the common defense.

This is pretty simple.

NATO countries have recently committed, or recommitted, to doing both. Hense, Trump saying what he did.

Why do you deny that there is a reason he now says what he says when it is apparent?
  
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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #54 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 11:39am
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Harry and company wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 11:17am:
They should actually defend NATO member states. Doing so includes the terrorist threat as well as providing an acceptable level, at this time defined as a certain level of GNP, to the common defense.

Replying in generalities doesn't answer my question.

What does this defense include? Does it include NATO lead airstrikes like we saw in Libya? Is it continuing their operations in the Eastern Mediterranean? Or is it more about identifying threats and passing that information along to member states (their intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, etc.), which what this new effort is focused on improving?
  
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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #55 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:42pm
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Demos wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 11:39am:
Replying in generalities doesn't answer my question.

What does this defense include? Does it include NATO lead airstrikes like we saw in Libya? Is it continuing their operations in the Eastern Mediterranean? Or is it more about identifying threats and passing that information along to member states (their intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, etc.), which what this new effort is focused on improving?


You ask details of me when you post the opinions of others as your argument? This is funny.

State your argument, without links, and I'll be happy to reply.

I do believe I've already destroyed any argument you have, but I'm willing to play.
  
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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #56 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:59pm
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Harry and company wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:42pm:
You ask details of me when you post the opinions of others as your argument?

What "opinions of others" have I posted as my argument? I'm not even sure you know what my argument is, so this should be entertaining.

Also, you jumped into this conversation by responding to the question I asked Jose, so if you want to jump in be prepared to follow-up. Seems like you aren't.

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State your argument, without links, and I'll be happy to reply.

If you've been paying attention to this thread (big if), then you can probably follow along. I've asked why NATO was considered obsolete, and have stated that I don't think we should be expanding NATO's mission (btw, counter-terrorism has been part of NATO's mission for a while, so the question is how should NATO be used in the fight against terrorism - a question you didn't and still haven't answered).

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I do believe I've already destroyed any argument you have, but I'm willing to play.

Lulz. Ok.  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
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Demos wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
What "opinions of others" have I posted as my argument? I'm not even sure you know what my argument is, so this should be entertaining.

Also, you jumped into this conversation by responding to the question I asked Jose, so if you want to jump in be prepared to follow-up. Seems like you aren't.

If you've been paying attention to this thread (big if), then you can probably follow along. I've asked why NATO was considered obsolete, and have stated that I don't think we should be expanding NATO's mission (btw, counter-terrorism has been part of NATO's mission for a while, so the question is how should NATO be used in the fight against terrorism - a question you didn't and still haven't answered).

Lulz. Ok.  Roll Eyes


You posted some links. That's impressive. No one else is capable of doing that. As for the "I jumped into the Josie thing, " are you scared?
  
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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #58 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 2:29pm
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Harry and company wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
You posted some links.

With sources supporting my position, yes (maybe try clicking and reading the links next time). That doesn't support your assertion that I have posted the opinions of others as my own argument.

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As for the "I jumped into the Josie thing, " are you scared?

Considering you won't actually engage in discussion, maybe you should be asking yourself that question.
  
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Re: Trump, In A 180-Degree Switch, Says NATO 'No Longer Obsolete'
Reply #59 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 10:56pm
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Demos wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 2:29pm:
With sources supporting my position, yes (maybe try clicking and reading the links next time). That doesn't support your assertion that I have posted the opinions of others as my own argument.

Considering you won't actually engage in discussion, maybe you should be asking yourself that question.


Sources are only as good as the truth behind them.

I do believe I am discussing the matter. I've seen you use this tactic before when you have nowhere to go.

Let's discuss that.
  
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