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Re: - without secession is there a way for conservatives and liberals to separate?
Reply #10 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:40am
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Luther wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:37am:
Ah..... it's also a "catch 22" 


Blue states tax it's citizens more and therefore a lot of it's doer citizens/retirees leave. Hence NY, NJ and Cali for example

Why would Red states say no to Fed aid if the Fed Gov is stupid enough to  give it to them?

In due time it will collapse and the feds will not have the money for all the social programs.  It happens everytime with Socialism.
  


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Reply #11 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:46am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:40am:
In due time it will collapse and the feds will not have the money for all the social programs.  It happens everytime with Socialism.



Yeah, but it took about 80 years for Rome to entirely fall.

Wouldn't you like to see real change before you're dead?

  

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Reply #12 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:48am
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Luther wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:46am:
Yeah, but it took about 80 years for Rome to entirely fall.

Wouldn't you like to see real change before you're dead?




You and I discussed this many times.  I'm not so sure we can stop it since the measures needed to be taken aren't the type today's citizenry will embrace.
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:52am
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You and I discussed this many times.  I'm not so sure we can stop it since the measures needed to be taken aren't the type today's citizenry will embrace.



Believe it or not, it was pretty much the same way at the time of our revolution

Nothing has changed. It's always been a minority such as myself

This is why it was important to keep the 'spirit' alive in what was our American revolution.
  

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Luther wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:52am:
Believe it or not, it was pretty much the same way at the time of our revolution

Nothing has changed. It's always been a minority such as myself

This is why it was important to keep the 'spirit' alive in what was our American revolution.



Today we have so many on the dole that they like things just as they are.
  
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Today we have so many on the dole that they like things just as they are. 



That is true

It's only the minority that matters to people like me and you.
  

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Reply #16 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 7:01am
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Luther wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 6:46am:
Yeah, but it took about 80 years for Rome to entirely fall.

Wouldn't you like to see real change before you're dead?


Back to the original intent of the founders?  Would love to, we had no federal tax nor was it in the Constitution till 1913, passed by Congress.  The 1900's was the start of the Progressive movement that desired that our system would model the European system.
  


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Reply #17 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 7:16am
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Remind conservatives that this is a nation of people not of banks and corporations.. A level playing field would relieve much of the tension.
  

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Reply #18 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 7:18am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 7:01am:
Back to the original intent of the founders?  Would love to, we had no federal tax nor was it in the Constitution till 1913, passed by Congress.  The 1900's was the start of the Progressive movement that desired that our system would model the European system.


Right... and with our "watered down " Americans it's just the norm...

I wonder if other amendments of the constitution were ever changed when it was written originally with" NO capitation or other direct tax shall be laid"

I thought No means No  and that is what NO means?
  

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Reply #19 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 7:22am
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Fiddler wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 7:16am:
Remind conservatives that this is a nation of people not of banks and corporations.. A level playing field would relieve much of the tension.



Just think, the first two years of Obama, they could have changed that....

But why?

Who also was responsible for the Fed reserve act?
  

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