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Reply #20 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:12pm
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I had almost forgotten about Zell.  Good point. As you know easy to get sidetracked when dealing with Worthless Wadsworth. Wink

I have been absent from this forum for some time so I don't know the players (lost my scorecard)  Smiley

The title of this thread reminded me of what Zell had said.  He said that he would never leave the Democrat Party, because it is his party and he will remain loyal to it, but he would not be loyal to those who have taken control of his party. Zell was a former Marine and a patriotic American and he represents many of the Democrats I have known over the years. 

I once asked a friend of mine, who I know to be quite conservative in many of his beliefs, why he was a Democrat, he told me, "Simple, I couldn't ever go home to my old neighborhood if I wasn't a Democrat!"  He's a police officer and a Democrat form Brooklyn, NY!  The roots of "Democrats" in certain communities go way back!  The "theories" of Columbia University's Professors. Cloward & Piven" and the teachings of Saul Alinsky and Karl Marx had nothing to do with 'these type of Democrats', yet they find themselves with nowhere else to go!
The radicals took over the Democrat Party and the rest just look the other way and continue to allow the tail to wag thae dog.  The problem is that dog just don't hunt, nomo! Wink


  

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Reply #21 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:13pm
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It what both sides do. Sadly this is what politics have come down to...how much one side can obstruct the other.

There's no bipartisanship any longer or any serious attempts to solve problems.

It's all about getting "the office" and keeping it, be it the presidency or Congress.

So republicans do know how to play dirty.
  

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Reply #22 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:18pm
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USyeah wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 12:20pm:
yes 1 presidential election but look at the recent history of congressional, state houses & governorships.

Congressional races are due to gerrymandering.  State houses and governorships is due to lack of most democrats getting out to vote and poor get out to vote efforts on the left.  But I as I said, Trump is a wake up call to democrats.  With all of the efforts at town hall meetings (much like the Tea Party did after Obama was elected), you will see a difference in the local elections.
  

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Reply #23 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm
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I know it isn't an act so don't pretend to be puzzled and stupid.


You tried to prove this and failed miserably.

I gave you a link.  You know I am right.
  

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Reply #24 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:29pm
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The Democrats have focused on tearing things down and appealing to their fringe elements, rather than bringing Americans together; it marginalizes them and requires them to have to lie about how they run for office and what they actually do, when they are elected.  This is why they have lost the governor's races and statehouses, as well as the Presidency, House and Senate.

  

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Reply #25 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:38pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
~meanwhile, back on the topic "Democrats Have Forgotten How to Win"... The Democrat Party has been losing due to their total investment in the Cloward-Piven Plan for Change through Orchestrated Crisis and their belief in the teachings of Saul Alinski and Karl Marx!

Zel Miller pointed out that he (as well as many other Democrats) had not left the Democrat Party, but the Democrat Party had left them!  There is no place in the Democrat Party of today for the sort of Democrats that supported John Fitzgerald Kennedy.  The Democrat Party has gone full tilt in favor of Marxist style Fascism!

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Using words like "Marxist and Fascism weakens your argument because it just resorts to name calling and has no validity in your reasoning for disliking democrats.  Democrats are not Marxist nor are the Fascist. 

From the Oxford dictionary
Fascism
A form of government which is an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing. .  Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Linz distinguished new forms of authoritarianism from personalistic dictatorships and totalitarian states, taking Francoist Spain as an example.

As much as I have distain for the Republicans, because they much abide by the constitution, neither they nor the democrats be fascist.  Even if they wanted to.

Marxism
The political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis of communism.

Marxism is an economic structure that will never exist in this country based upon our constitution.  Our founders understood that in order to function and survive as a country, we must embrace capitalism as well as socialism.  Extreme views such as yours means that no social welfare programs should exist in our society.  That is just unrealistic.  We need public schools, roads, the government does assist in and has always assisted in energy sources, transportation and healthcare.  We need both.  As I said earlier, every voter wants the government to do something for them and if things are not going well in their lives, they blame the government.  But to say that any political party is Marist or Fascist is really far from the truth.  It is just meaningless name calling.
  

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The Original Wally wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:29pm:
The Democrats have focused on tearing things down and appealing to their fringe elements, rather than bringing Americans together; it marginalizes them and requires them to have to lie about how they run for office and what they actually do, when they are elected.  This is why they have lost the governor's races and statehouses, as well as the Presidency, House and Senate.
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That is so stupid.  Men who dress like women have been going to women's bathrooms since men have been dressing like women.  Now since there is a "transgender movement"  thanks to your republican comrade who hates Obama (Catlin Jenner), North Carolina in a stupid attempt to please the wingnuts passes a bathroom law that puts everyone in a rage.  My question is.....What would JFK had done in the same situation.  Probably the same thing.  You are talking about a different time in the 60s when rich people paid about 60% of the income in taxes and it was easy to fund a space program.  Now we can't even get this republican congress of ours to build bridges.
  

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Re: Democrats Have Forgotten How To Win
Reply #27 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:50pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Using words like "Marxist and Fascism weakens your argument because it just resorts to name calling and has no validity in your reasoning for disliking democrats.  Democrats are not Marxist nor are the Fascist. 

From the Oxford dictionary
Fascism
A form of government which is an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing. .  Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Linz distinguished new forms of authoritarianism from personalistic dictatorships and totalitarian states, taking Francoist Spain as an example.

As much as I have distain for the Republicans, because they much abide by the constitution, neither they nor the democrats be fascist.  Even if they wanted to.

Marxism
The political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis of communism.

Marxism is an economic structure that will never exist in this country based upon our constitution.  Our founders understood that in order to function and survive as a country, we must embrace capitalism as well as socialism.  Extreme views such as yours means that no social welfare programs should exist in our society.  That is just unrealistic.  We need public schools, roads, the government does assist in and has always assisted in energy sources, transportation and healthcare.  We need both.  As I said earlier, every voter wants the government to do something for them and if things are not going well in their lives, they blame the government.  But to say that any political party is Marist or Fascist is really far from the truth.  It is just meaningless name calling.

Karl Marx represents an idea that has been repeatedly tried and repeatedly failed.  While Marxism promises utopia, each and every time its been used it has resulted in a Fascist Dictatorship.  Yet, even those who honestly acknowledge this historical fact, HOPE and BELIEVE that this time 'their' CHANGE will result in something different.

Plato wrote of Utopia in his "Republic" and defined it as "No Such Place"!  Fact!

  

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Reply #28 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 2:06pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Apr 17th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
Karl Marx represents an idea that has been repeatedly tried and repeatedly failed.  While Marxism promises utopia, each and every time its been used it has resulted in a Fascist Dictatorship.  Yet, even those who honestly acknowledge this historical fact, HOPE and BELIEVE that this time 'their' CHANGE will result in something different.

Plato wrote of Utopia in his "Republic" and defined it as "No Such Place"!  Fact!

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That is a true statement.  That is why it will never work in the U.S. and no political party in the country is Marxist or Fascist.
  

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Reply #29 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 2:10pm
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Have they?  I'm not so sure.  They know how to play dirty. Something the Republicans still haven't grasped.


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