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is being in charge so exciting really?
Apr 18th, 2017 at 11:20am
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OK so our Prime Minister has called a snap General Election for June 8.

This will look strange to you Colonials, with your fixed terms. In fact, we have fixed terms too, by Act of Parliament, but it has gaps big enough to drive a tank through.

Mrs. May is in an extremely unenviable position as PM. The country is divided over Brexit, with the intelligent 35% of whatever political party in despair at the victory of the stupid and nasty 35%.

Exactly in line with all sensible predictions, the long term outlook is rather bleak.

The actual fabric of the country is now in severe doubt; as a result of Brexit and the distribution of the votes, both Scotland and Northern Ireland may well leave the Union over a realistic timetable of 4 - 10 years.

Her own party is revealed as mendacious, divided and incompetent, and these traits are only going to be magnified over coming years.

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She is Prime Minister. And, by great good fortune (for her), the main opposition party is in a truly dreadful state. It is unlikely to win, even with the Conservatives in a serious mess.



She has called the election to give her a consolidated position and a 5 year Parliament.

Only a year ago, she was making very astute speeches against Brexit, which she was intellectually and politically opposed to. Now she will be standing as the PM who will deliver a Brexit entirely, or almost entirely, unlike that for which votes were cast.

Given her very clear position on Brexit, surely if she had any personal integrity or had the interests of her nation at heart, she would resign, and campaign for a changed decision on the matter.

So, my question. Is being in charge so exciting, so intoxicating, that a person wants it even when it's a poisoned chalice?
  

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Reply #1 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 11:53am
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It certainly has lured Trump into doing a job he truly loathes...
  

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Limey wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 11:20am:
OK so our Prime Minister has called a snap General Election for June 8.

This will look strange to you Colonials, with your fixed terms. In fact, we have fixed terms too, by Act of Parliament, but it has gaps big enough to drive a tank through.

Mrs. May is in an extremely unenviable position as PM. The country is divided over Brexit, with the intelligent 35% of whatever political party in despair at the victory of the stupid and nasty 35%.

Exactly in line with all sensible predictions, the long term outlook is rather bleak.

The actual fabric of the country is now in severe doubt; as a result of Brexit and the distribution of the votes, both Scotland and Northern Ireland may well leave the Union over a realistic timetable of 4 - 10 years.

Her own party is revealed as mendacious, divided and incompetent, and these traits are only going to be magnified over coming years.

However.

She is Prime Minister. And, by great good fortune (for her), the main opposition party is in a truly dreadful state. It is unlikely to win, even with the Conservatives in a serious mess.



She has called the election to give her a consolidated position and a 5 year Parliament.

Only a year ago, she was making very astute speeches against Brexit, which she was intellectually and politically opposed to. Now she will be standing as the PM who will deliver a Brexit entirely, or almost entirely, unlike that for which votes were cast.

Given her very clear position on Brexit, surely if she had any personal integrity or had the interests of her nation at heart, she would resign, and campaign for a changed decision on the matter.

So, my question. Is being in charge so exciting, so intoxicating, that a person wants it even when it's a poisoned chalice?

Patriotism and Love of Country are not exclusively American.  Whenever the (your) nation is in peril, patriots of stout heart have heeded to call, as they say, and faced the opposition.  Indeed, Winston Churchill was ridiculed and marginalized until history proved him right and a majority of (your) people decided to stand up for freedom and liberty, in the face of overwhelming odds!  That was your finest hour.  Yet, that was then and this is now. Perhaps, GB finest hour is looming in the very near future!
  

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Reply #3 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:06pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 11:53am:
It certainly has lured Trump into doing a job he truly loathes...


I think it was Mike Myers or some other comedian who said, at one of those press dinners Trump attended several years ago, that he (Myers) was surprised to learn that he (Trump) was considering a run for president as a Republican.  He (Myers) figured he had to be running as a joke.  He (Trump) scowled because he (Trump) has absolutely no sense of humor.

Trump never expected to be nominated or, having been nominated, elected.¬† He was as surprised as anybody was.¬† The good news for him, though, is that since he is an impulsive, unprincipled, narcissistic, sociopath, he has no problem sleeping well at night. He does not believe he is under any requirement, legal or moral or otherwise, to deliver on any promises he ever made whether oral or written.¬† He can do whatever he pleases whenever he pleases without fear of being "called out."¬† His guiding tenet is "do that which is best for me."  He loves attention, and being the president of the United States is about the best attention getting job there is on this planet.¬†

I, for one, am kind of glad he does not feel bound by any promises he ever made oral or written because it means he can be truly flexible.  And it seems like every day he is sort of reversing himself on something and prefacing it with a statement like "nobody knew how complicated or hard this was."  Well, of course, a lot of people knew that, but he didn't.  He thinks everything is basically a real estate deal.

This is fun.  This is a fun time.
  

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Reply #4 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:16pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Patriotism and Love of Country are not exclusively American.  Whenever the (your) nation is in peril, patriots of stout heart have heeded to call, as they say, and faced the opposition.  Indeed, Winston Churchill was ridiculed and marginalized until history proved him right and a majority of (your) people decided to stand up for freedom and liberty, in the face of overwhelming odds!  That was your finest hour.  Yet, that was then and this is now. Perhaps, GB finest hour is looming in the very near future! 



Yeah, maybe, but our PM was vehemently,  and convincingly, against Brexit 13 months ago.

I think she was right, but that's by the by.


The point is, she is working in exact opposition to her stated beliefs.

I can only assume it's because she doesn't want to not be PM, the only option if she were to come out against Brexit.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:17pm
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Limey wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 11:20am:
OK so our Prime Minister has called a snap General Election for June 8.

This will look strange to you Colonials, with your fixed terms. In fact, we have fixed terms too, by Act of Parliament, but it has gaps big enough to drive a tank through.

Mrs. May is in an extremely unenviable position as PM. The country is divided over Brexit, with the intelligent 35% of whatever political party in despair at the victory of the stupid and nasty 35%.

Exactly in line with all sensible predictions, the long term outlook is rather bleak.

The actual fabric of the country is now in severe doubt; as a result of Brexit and the distribution of the votes, both Scotland and Northern Ireland may well leave the Union over a realistic timetable of 4 - 10 years.

Her own party is revealed as mendacious, divided and incompetent, and these traits are only going to be magnified over coming years.

However.

She is Prime Minister. And, by great good fortune (for her), the main opposition party is in a truly dreadful state. It is unlikely to win, even with the Conservatives in a serious mess.



She has called the election to give her a consolidated position and a 5 year Parliament.

Only a year ago, she was making very astute speeches against Brexit, which she was intellectually and politically opposed to. Now she will be standing as the PM who will deliver a Brexit entirely, or almost entirely, unlike that for which votes were cast.

Given her very clear position on Brexit, surely if she had any personal integrity or had the interests of her nation at heart, she would resign, and campaign for a changed decision on the matter.

So, my question. Is being in charge so exciting, so intoxicating, that a person wants it even when it's a poisoned chalice?


I don't know that I agree that her continuing to serve means she has no personal integrity or does not have the interests of her nation at heart.  One of the unfortunate things about our systems of government is sometimes the stupid DO win elections.  As many have said, "elections have consequences."  Can she not campaign for a changed decision while still discharging her duties to accomplish Brexit by pointing out that this Brexit will NOT be the Brexit voters who supported it thought they were going to get?

I do realize there is the matter of "conflicts of interest" and she might be accused of deliberately mucking up the Brexit just so she could say "I told you so."  But there are ways to deal with that.  It would require complete transparency on her part, and that's a hard thing for politicians to do because it runs so contrary to their DNA.  It would require her to work toward the Brexit voted on in the least damaging way possible rather than making it worse than it has to be, all the while trying to get people to agree this is not a good thing to do and it might not be too late to change your mind.

Being a former colonial, I don't really know what's so bad about it, myself.  I do know that many over here compare Trump's election to your Brexit as if the two were peas in a pod, both being the rank and file thumbing their noses at the elite political establishment.  But ours is funny.  Yours does not appear to be so funny.
  

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Reply #6 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:35pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:03pm:
Patriotism and Love of Country are not exclusively American.   

Over the past decade the message here is "If you love America wave the flag and stand for the national anthem you're a racist bad person.
  

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JohnnyBgood wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
Over the past decade the message here is "If you love America wave the flag and stand for the national anthem you're a racist bad person.


Bullshit.
  

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JohnnyBgood wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:35pm:
Over the past decade the message here is "If you love America wave the flag and stand for the national anthem you're a racist bad person.
I would expect that most of the Brits have just about had it with the Islamification of their country and the assaults on their freedom of speech and the intolerant political correctness that has flowed out of the EU!

If GB doesn't stand up for its sovereignty and independence now, it will sure lose it!
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 2:29pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 12:45pm:
I would expect that most of the Brits have just about had it with the Islamification of their country and the assaults on their freedom of speech and the intolerant political correctness that has flowed out of the EU!

If GB doesn't stand up for its sovereignty and independence now, it will sure lose it!


Sorry, I have trouble keeping up with all the new names.

Are you a joke account as this post indicates, or are you genuinely ignorant?
  

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