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How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Apr 18th, 2017 at 6:32pm
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On April 9, as tension between the U.S. and North Korea over missile tests rose, the U.S. announced it was dispatching the USS Carl Vinson, an aircraft carrier, and its retinue, toward the Korean peninsula.  “U.S. Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific,” a Navy spokesman said at the time.

There was one flaw in the plan, as The New York Times reports:

"The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula."

The result is the sort of thing that would comical if it didn’t involve nuclear brinkmanship. The announcement of the Vinson’s movement jacked up the tension between Washington and Pyongyang, which called the travel “reckless” and thundered, in a statement to CNN, “We will make the U.S. fully accountable for the catastrophic consequences that may be brought about by its high-handed and outrageous acts.” Had the North Korean government, unsure how to interpret Trump’s tough rhetoric, actually started a hot war, the Vinson would have been 3,500 miles away, rather than ready to act.How did this happen?

Was it Trump’s vaunted unpredictability? Nah:

"White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis—all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea."

The confusion might never have become public if not for another miscue: The Navy posted a picture of the Vinson steaming through the Sunda Strait in Indonesia, far from where the White House had placed it—a case of the government failing to take simple steps to cover its own tracks.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/04/how-did-the-trump-admi...

I have to admit... nothing was lost per se.

This was a matter of the right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing.
  

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #1 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 6:40pm
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Yes.. And it doesn't seem to make any difference to Trump's warmongering base..

http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1492533548/23#23
  

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #2 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:03pm
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The one damn thing we truly rely on the president for, the defense and security of our nation and he doesn't even know where his toys are.

Or he knew exactly what that strike force would be doing and simply lied to us.  Is he incompotent or a liar?  Perhaps both.
  

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #3 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:06pm
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Fiddler wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 6:40pm:
Yes.. And it doesn't seem to make any difference to Trump's warmongering base..

http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1492533548/23#23

Looks like it slipped right under the radar.
  

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #4 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:38pm
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a premature announcement of the deployment


There's a pill for that.

Any road, I would think that basic military strategy would dictate before deploying an aircraft carrier you make sure you have said aircraft carrier to deploy.
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 8:36pm
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The United States ratcheted up its rhetoric ahead of North Korea's military parade and failed missile launch over the weekend, and Vice President Mike Pence on Monday declared that the era of US "strategic patience" in dealing with Pyongyang was over.

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un responded with his own fiery warnings and threatened to conduct weekly missile tests.

It was not clear if the issue was the result of poor communication by the Navy, but some observers were critical.

Joel Wit, a co-founder of the 38 North program of the US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins University, said the matter was "very perplexing" and fed into North Korea's narrative that America is all bluster and doesn't follow through on threats.

"If you are going to threaten the North Koreans, you better make sure your threat is credible," Wit said.

"If you threaten them and your threat is not credible, it's only going to undermine whatever your policy toward them is."

The strike group has been conducting drills with the Australian navy in recent days, the official said, though it scrapped a planned port visit in Australia as a result of the new orders.
  
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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
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First off, no one lost a carrier, the fact that it has been diverted from it's initial patrol is not the least bit surprising at all.  We have diverted plenty of warships from their initial patrol to a hotspot.  This was not a planned patrol.  I can not tell you how many times we were diverted from a training exercise or patrol to another part of the ocean due to some sort of conflict.  Unfortunately it appears the media does not understand this.  It does not appear that this was a planned event for the carrier, instead this is a reaction to escallating tensions that now demand the presence of the carrier from it's fleet training... so maybe the media does not grasp this.
  


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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #8 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:06pm
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 8:47pm:
First off, no one lost a carrier, the fact that it has been diverted from it's initial patrol is not the least bit surprising at all.  We have diverted plenty of warships from their initial patrol to a hotspot.  This was not a planned patrol.  I can not tell you how many times we were diverted from a training exercise or patrol to another part of the ocean due to some sort of conflict.  Unfortunately it appears the media does not understand this.  It does not appear that this was a planned event for the carrier, instead this is a reaction to escallating tensions that now demand the presence of the carrier from it's fleet training... so maybe the media does not grasp this.


Thanks for that, Conway.
  
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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #9 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:13pm
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The author is an absolute idiot lacking any professional knowldege of our military, what he is good at is his dripping condesending attitude to the President evident in his remarks.  This was piece was an absolute waste of time as it was very evident to me and probably to so many other men and women who have served in the Navy and know about operational deployment.  He obviously lacks even the basic understanding of this.
  


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