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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #10 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:22pm
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 8:47pm:
First off, no one lost a carrier, the fact that it has been diverted from it's initial patrol is not the least bit surprising at all.  We have diverted plenty of warships from their initial patrol to a hotspot.  This was not a planned patrol.  I can not tell you how many times we were diverted from a training exercise or patrol to another part of the ocean due to some sort of conflict.  Unfortunately it appears the media does not understand this.  It does not appear that this was a planned event for the carrier, instead this is a reaction to escallating tensions that now demand the presence of the carrier from it's fleet training... so maybe the media does not grasp this.


The issue is not that the carrier was diverted to NK.

The issue is that it was said the carrier was on the way to NK when it was not.
  

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #11 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:26pm
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:13pm:
The author is an absolute idiot lacking any professional knowldege of our military, what he is good at is his dripping condesending attitude to the President evident in his remarks.  This was piece was an absolute waste of time as it was very evident to me and probably to so many other men and women who have served in the Navy and know about operational deployment.  He obviously lacks even the basic understanding of this.


You didn't read the article.  The carrier group was going the opposite direction.  That isn't a failure of the media.
  

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #12 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:42pm
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Sometimes it is a good thing no one knows where the ship is, except the captain and president.

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #13 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:45pm
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Lomelis wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
You didn't read the article.  The carrier group was going the opposite direction.  That isn't a failure of the media.

Wrong, I did and I don't think the author has one freaking clue about what he is talking about which is very obvious to me.  It is apparent that he has an axe to grind based on his remarks about Trump and innuendos about his percieved instability.  That set off all sorts of red flags to me and it is not in the least bit unsusal that the carrier was no where near the incident.  Now on the other hand if the carrier was never going to be diverted to the region despite what the administration stated, then we obviously have a problem but with my experience of patrols and being diverted from our initial patrol or training, I do not see anything out of the ordinary. I read the article several times attempting to see what is the "comical" situation and I don't see anything except his lack of knowledge regarding standard military protocol and operations.
  


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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #14 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:57pm
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Archie wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
Sometimes it is a good thing no one knows where the ship is, except the captain and president.

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To be honest, he is not always aware of ship locations unless he specifically asks them.
  


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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #15 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:59pm
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Seawolf- this is the part that is comical..

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On April 9, as tension between the U.S. and North Korea over missile tests rose, the U.S. announced it was dispatching the USS Carl Vinson, an aircraft carrier, and its retinue, toward the Korean peninsula. “U.S. Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific,” a Navy spokesman said at the time.

There was one flaw in the plan, as The New York Times reports:

"The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula."


You know this is a real mistake and not something invented by a know-nothing journalist because the White House is pointing the finger at the Defense Department. And the Defense Department mentions  a "glitch-ridden sequence of events."

The White House does not admit errors or mistakes when journalists get the story wrong. And neither would the Pentagon. Or if they do, they are incredibly weak and are letting the media bully them into admitting mistakes which they did not in fact make.

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White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis—all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea.
  

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #16 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 10:05pm
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:57pm:
To be honest, he is not always aware of ship locations unless he specifically asks them.



I am meaning so that the enemy doesn’t know.
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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #17 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 10:11pm
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Archie wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 10:05pm:
I am meaning so that the enemy doesn’t know.
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Those of us who do not have a Starfor membership have to rely on the Navy to accidentally spill the beans..

From the article.

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The confusion might never have become public if not for another miscue: The Navy posted a picture of the Vinson steaming through the Sunda Strait in Indonesia, far from where the White House had placed it
  

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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #18 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 10:17pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:59pm:
Seawolf- this is the part that is comical..


You know this is a real mistake and not something invented by a know-nothing journalist because the White House is pointing the finger at the Defense Department. And the Defense Department mentions  a "glitch-ridden sequence of events."

The White House does not admit errors or mistakes when journalists get the story wrong. And neither would the Pentagon. Or if they do, they are incredibly weak and are letting the media bully them into admitting mistakes which they did not in fact make.


I read it and it said, at that very moment was participating in a joint exercise with the Austrailian Navy.  Ok, that is not unusual, as I stated, I have been in a scenario similar and received orders  ordered to change our deployment.  When did this notice to the media take place in regards to the carrier receiving it's orders to alter it's mission?  I have no idea and neither does the author in order to assume that this was a blunder of any magnitude.  I also find it interesting that the msm has yet to pick this story up and run with it.  As I stated, I don't see anything that would say this was unusual.  I can also see this author's views regarding Trump is very negative to the point of dripping with sarcasam.  Just does not raise my level of concern in regards to this being comical.  A carrier was diverted, when in relation to the media getting the news?  I have no idea as the article is not real clear about this.  Hey, if you think it is a real issue then what can I say, to me this is something I have been through and do not see it rising to the level of comedy or blunders.  It seems more about the timing of the release and when the carrier changed course and even that is confidential and not released to the public.
  


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Re: How Did the Trump Administration Lose an Aircraft Carrier?
Reply #19 - Apr 18th, 2017 at 10:22pm
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 18th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
I read it and it said, at that very moment was participating in a joint exercise with the Austrailian Navy.  Ok, that is not unusual, as I stated, I have been in a scenario similar and received orders  ordered to change our deployment.  When did this notice to the media take place in regards to the carrier receiving it's orders to alter it's mission?  I have no idea and neither does the author in order to assume that this was a blunder of any magnitude.  I also find it interesting that the msm has yet to pick this story up and run with it.  As I stated, I don't see anything that would say this was unusual.  I can also see this author's views regarding Trump is very negative to the point of dripping with sarcasam.  Just does not raise my level of concern in regards to this being comical.  A carrier was diverted, when in relation to the media getting the news?  I have no idea as the article is not real clear about this.  Hey, if you think it is a real issue then what can I say, to me this is something I have been through and do not see it rising to the level of comedy or blunders.  It seems more about the timing of the release and when the carrier changed course and even that is confidential and not released to the public. 


Well the White House and the Defense Department disagree with your analysis. They do see something that needs to be explained- a glitch- as they call it.

Make no mistake. I am not saying anything was lost.

Perhaps the announcement was premature. This looks like a communication failure to me.

What we know for sure is that when the announcement was made that the carrier was heading toward NK, it was really heading to Australia instead.
  

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