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Re: Russians Hacked Democrats’ Plans to Cheat in the General Election, too
Reply #10 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:26pm
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Limey wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:12pm:
You have two entirely separate issues, both very serious.

1. Election malpractice by Republicans and Democrats

2. Covert interference by foreign powers in your elections.


It's in the interests of those foreign powers to confuse the two.

For my money, "2" is vastly more significant than "1".

The rule of law is where the line is drawn.  There has been Russian propaganda involved in our elections since well before Sen. Ted Kennedy flew to Moscow and asked the Kremlin to become involved in the campaign against Ronald Reagan's election.  Te US was involved in spreading ant- Soviet Propaganda through Radio Free and any other venue that existed at the time.  The internet has made this a bigger problem, but it remains to be seem if anyone broke any laws.  If they did, they need to be prosecuted!

It appears that the "Russian hacking" exposed criminal activity involving the former Attorney General and the Clinton campaign and the FBI Director was forced to reveal the information he did about CLinton and yet he didn't say anything about his boss (the Attorney General).  There are laws that cover this kind of "collusion" and this is a bigger story that the media narrative of Russians colluding with Trump, which our FBI and CIA say their is no evidence of. Even if there was some such discovery, unless a law was broken, how would that not be like Sen. Ted Kennedy asking the Russians to become involved in the campaign to stop Ronald Reagan?

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-in...
  

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Re: Russians Hacked Democrats’ Plans to Cheat in the General Election, too
Reply #11 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:36pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
The rule of law is where the line is drawn.  There has been Russian propaganda involved in our elections since well before Sen. Ted Kennedy flew to Moscow and asked the Kremlin to become involved in the campaign against Ronald Reagan's election.  Te US was involved in spreading ant- Soviet Propaganda through Radio Free and any other venue that existed at the time.  The internet has made this a bigger problem, but it remains to be seem if anyone broke any laws.  If they did, they need to be prosecuted!

It appears that the "Russian hacking" exposed criminal activity involving the former Attorney General and the Clinton campaign and the FBI Director was forced to reveal the information he did about CLinton and yet he didn't say anything about his boss (the Attorney General).  There are laws that cover this kind of "collusion" and this is a bigger story that the media narrative of Russians colluding with Trump, which our FBI and CIA say their is no evidence of. Even if there was some such discovery, unless a law was broken, how would that not be like Sen. Ted Kennedy asking the Russians to become involved in the campaign to stop Ronald Reagan?

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-in...



Again, partisanship?

Of course powers try to influence one another.  The US and UK attempted to guide Politburo appointments, and the USSR certainly tried to push candidates at all levels in Western politics.

We are now, however,  talking about covert influence on democratic processes by anti democratic forces, masquerading as democratic forces.

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Re: Russians Hacked Democrats’ Plans to Cheat in the General Election, too
Reply #12 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:48pm
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Limey wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
Again, partisanship?

Of course powers try to influence one another.  The US and UK attempted to guide Politburo appointments, and the USSR certainly tried to push candidates at all levels in Western politics.

We are now, however,  talking about covert influence on democratic processes by anti democratic forces, masquerading as democratic forces.

Keep your eyes clear.

"Partisanship?"  There is a full blown 24/7 smear campaign of the Left Wing Media against the election of Donald Trump.  In spite of repeated official statements by those who have been involved in the investigation, that there is "no evidence of collusion by any member of the Trump campaign and the Russian", our Democrat controlled media keeps saying their is!!!  The fact will come out though and the partisan, liberal media is only trying to get all the mileage they can before the "story" dies.

Anyway, the real story is when someone (anyone) can be charged with a crime.  Our FBI just arrested a Russian Hacker in Russia for his criminal activities.  Spreading lies (propaganda) is not a crime (especially during an election), it's happened since the days of antiquity! If spreading Lies were a crime, many of the posters here would be subject to arrest and prosecution, don't you think!  Wink

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/czech-arrest-russian-hacker-fbi-dnc-john-podesta-hil...
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:16pm
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Limey wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 6:12pm:
You have two entirely separate issues, both very serious.

1. Election malpractice by Republicans and Democrats

2. Covert interference by foreign powers in your elections.


It's in the interests of those foreign powers to confuse the two.

For my money, "2" is vastly more significant than "1".


Overly simplistic.

If #2 actually included manipulating actual votes or vote tallies, or manipulated registration that would cause people not to be able to vote.  You would be correct.

But what actually happened is that they simple leaked knowledge of corruption.  Voters still cast their votes how they saw fit, their was no actual manipulation.

Therefore in this case #1 is the more serious issue.
  

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Re: Russians Hacked Democrats’ Plans to Cheat in the General Election, too
Reply #14 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 9:35am
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Limey wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
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Not the kind of guy you're going to invite to a barbecue.

I think you're wrong. Harry's still an alcoholic.
  

Non sequitur:

The Hamster is at it Again wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
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Re: Russians Hacked Democrats’ Plans to Cheat in the General Election, too
Reply #15 - Apr 26th, 2017 at 9:56am
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Lomelis wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:16pm:
Overly simplistic.

If #2 actually included manipulating actual votes or vote tallies, or manipulated registration that would cause people not to be able to vote.  You would be correct.

But what actually happened is that they simple leaked knowledge of corruption.  Voters still cast their votes how they saw fit, their was no actual manipulation.

Therefore in this case #1 is the more serious issue.

The Democrats didn't begin the blame Hillary's loss of "the Russians Did It!" until a month or so  after the election.  Prior to this, Obama and all the Intelligence Agencies said that while the Russians did try to influence the election, they were unsuccessful in having any impact on the outcome of the election  Indeed, CIA Director James Clapper, said of the Russian's efforts that all major powers and even some minor players, with the ability to engage in this sort of activities.  In response to a question about what the United States may or may not be doing with our foreign powers, he said he'd put it this way, "it's difficult for people who live in glass houses to be throwing stones".

Right up through Obama's departure on January 20th, he and the Intelligence Community continued to say that the Russians had no affect on the vote!  They said that whether the Russian propaganda had any more effect than any other 'propaganda' could not be measure and was more of "a political question".  Since then, the media and the Left have been harping on this theme of "collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians".  So far there has been no evidence of any such activities; only incidental contacts with Russian businessmen, as there have been between members of both the Trump and CLinton campaigns.
  

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Re: Russians Hacked Democrats’ Plans to Cheat in the General Election, too
Reply #16 - May 18th, 2017 at 7:14am
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Limey wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
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