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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #50 - May 4th, 2017 at 9:22pm
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Demos wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 8:51pm:
So how do explain the fossil record? 



The gaps prove it was God.

Standard creationist approach.

There's a gap in the fossil record? God made the leap.

You find a fossil that's in a gap? Great! Now we have two gaps for God!

It's tiresome.
  

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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #51 - May 4th, 2017 at 9:41pm
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Demos wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 8:51pm:
So how do explain the fossil record? 

Elaborate.
  


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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #52 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:28am
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Limey wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 9:22pm:
The gaps prove it was God.

Standard creationist approach.

There's a gap in the fossil record? God made the leap.

You find a fossil that's in a gap? Great! Now we have two gaps for God!

It's tiresome.

IS it tiresome because you think I should concede to your belief that nothing created life?  Sorry Limey, aside from Biblical testimony my own experiences have sealed my faith in the Lord God.  As I have stated, the conclusion to our debate is simple, after our death we personally will have our answers. 
  


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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #53 - May 5th, 2017 at 5:53pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:28am:
IS it tiresome because you think I should concede to your belief that nothing created life?  Sorry Limey, aside from Biblical testimony my own experiences have sealed my faith in the Lord God.  As I have stated, the conclusion to our debate is simple, after our death we personally will have our answers. 


I don't have a belief that nothing created life.

Those are your words, aiming at a Creationist strawman.

I don't have any beliefs about where life came from.

Like every sensible person, I can honestly say two things on the subject:

1. I don't know how life began

2. Evolution,  which doesn't explain genesis, seems plausible.

Your experience may have given you faith.

It's disappointing that an intelligent chap like you is unable to distinguish between that and proof. Just because you believe something,  that don't make it true.

Tell me, how does my link about fishy things with proto-limbs fit with your comments about links?

Oh, no, I forgot, only science which supports you is valid. Everything else is just theory.

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Reply #54 - May 6th, 2017 at 9:43am
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Limey wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
I don't have a belief that nothing created life.

Those are your words, aiming at a Creationist strawman.

I don't have any beliefs about where life came from.

Like every sensible person, I can honestly say two things on the subject:

1. I don't know how life began

2. Evolution,  which doesn't explain genesis, seems plausible.

Your experience may have given you faith.

It's disappointing that an intelligent chap like you is unable to distinguish between that and proof. Just because you believe something,  that don't make it true.

Tell me, how does my link about fishy things with proto-limbs fit with your comments about links?

Oh, no, I forgot, only science which supports you is valid. Everything else is just theory.


We all get our answers in the end.  All we are doing is running in circles, I have a personal experience as well as having asked and thought this through.  You have a different view, this is life,
  


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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #55 - May 6th, 2017 at 12:15pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 9:43am:
We all get our answers in the end.  All we are doing is running in circles, I have a personal experience as well as having asked and thought this through.  You have a different view, this is life,


Logically, we may or may not get answers in the end - if there is no afterlife, of course, we don't.

You believe that you'll (and I too) will get answers in the end. It's not a statement of fact.
  

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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #56 - May 7th, 2017 at 7:06am
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Limey wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 12:15pm:
Logically, we may or may not get answers in the end - if there is no afterlife, of course, we don't.

You believe that you'll (and I too) will get answers in the end. It's not a statement of fact.

Logically we will based on one of two beliefs.  If you believe that we will simply cease to exist and it's true, game over, the run was fun, no consequences.  On the other hand, if there be a Creator, then we all we give a testament to him regarding our lives and receive our judgement.  Not understanding your view, that the end has no conclusion.  Not a logical conclusion to say that is not a statement of fact in my opinion.  The problem is you see this strictly from one side and unwilling to even remotely acknowledge the possibility that if I am right, then you will stand before your creator.  That seems to hit people with a gut check.  That all those things you thought you did in secret will possibly be revealed in the end and an account will be given.  Either way, what do I lose?  Why should you or anyone else care about what I believe and how I live my life?  If it makes one a better person then why would anyone rain on someone's parade?  Discussion has ran it's course for this thread.
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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #57 - May 7th, 2017 at 5:51pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 7th, 2017 at 7:06am:
Logically we will based on one of two beliefs.  If you believe that we will simply cease to exist and it's true, game over, the run was fun, no consequences.  On the other hand, if there be a Creator, then we all we give a testament to him regarding our lives and receive our judgement.  Not understanding your view, that the end has no conclusion.  Not a logical conclusion to say that is not a statement of fact in my opinion.  The problem is you see this strictly from one side and unwilling to even remotely acknowledge the possibility that if I am right, then you will stand before your creator.  That seems to hit people with a gut check.  That all those things you thought you did in secret will possibly be revealed in the end and an account will be given.  Either way, what do I lose?  Why should you or anyone else care about what I believe and how I live my life?  If it makes one a better person then why would anyone rain on someone's parade?  Discussion has ran it's course for this thread.


If the Creator turns out not to be the one you believe in, you're in trouble.

There are a lot of gods out there.
  

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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #58 - May 7th, 2017 at 7:11pm
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Limey wrote on May 7th, 2017 at 5:51pm:
If the Creator turns out not to be the one you believe in, you're in trouble.

There are a lot of gods out there.

A lot of religions but only one God, will see in the end.  Good discussion Limey.
  


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Re: Jesus is not a copy of pagan gods
Reply #59 - May 7th, 2017 at 7:16pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 7th, 2017 at 7:11pm:
A lot of religions but only one God, will see in the end.  Good discussion Limey.




We may.


If it turns out to be Baal, I will be in deep shit, but I hope to find a moment of mild giggling as I picture the look on various faces.

Of course, that won't be much use in an eternal Hell.
  

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