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Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
May 3rd, 2017 at 2:14pm
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Director Comey says that he only had 2 choices - report or conceal - there was nothing else, no possible other choice 11 days out from the election, not nearly enough time to do the 2 days worth of examination required, so there were no choices other than to report

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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
Reply #1 - May 3rd, 2017 at 4:25pm
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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
Reply #2 - May 3rd, 2017 at 5:12pm
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http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/03/comey-huma-abedin-sent-classified-informat...

I heard the testimony on the radio and it's interesting how Comey can say there was no intent therefore there was no crime.

"He says both Abedin and Weiner "potentially" committed crimes. He says Abedin, in particular, was not prosecuted as he could not "prove criminal intent."


"James Comey revealed that Huma Abedin, a top aide to Hillary Clinton, forwarded thousands of emails, including classified information, to her husband, Anthony Weiner."

So if I run a red light should the cop automatically let me off if I say I didn't intend to do it?  How does he know I'm being truthful. How about I didn't intend to speed or I didn't intend to murder that person. Since when is intent the litmus test when she clearly forwarded to her husband who had no clearance? It's a mishandling of classified information at the very least.



As far as I am concerned the case is closed but something still doesn't pass the smell test.

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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
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Dying Breed wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 5:12pm:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/03/comey-huma-abedin-sent-classified-informat...

I heard the testimony on the radio and it's interesting how Comey can say there was no intent therefore there was no crime.

"He says both Abedin and Weiner "potentially" committed crimes. He says Abedin, in particular, was not prosecuted as he could not "prove criminal intent."


"James Comey revealed that Huma Abedin, a top aide to Hillary Clinton, forwarded thousands of emails, including classified information, to her husband, Anthony Weiner."

So if I run a red light should the cop automatically let me off if I say I didn't intend to do it?  How does he know I'm being truthful. How about I didn't intend to speed or I didn't intend to murder that person.



As far as I am concerned the case is closed but something still doesn't pass the smell test.



If the red light law required intent
  

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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
Reply #4 - May 3rd, 2017 at 5:24pm
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billy.pilgrim wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 5:21pm:
If the red light law required intent


Forwarding classified information to unauthorized parties without clearance is a crime. There's no grey area. Anthony Weiner is not authorized just because he's married to Abedin.

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—



The term “unauthorized person” means any person who, or agency which, is not authorized to receive information of the categories set forth in subsection (a) of this section, by the President, or by the head of a department or agency of the United States Government which is expressly designated by the President to engage in communication intelligence activities for the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798


  
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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
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hmm...

I am having all kinds of issues with this new term "intent".   People are arrested, charged and convicted on a daily basis that could claim they had no intent to break the law therefore they shouldn't be prosecuted.

I doubt that the number of people who call up a buddy and say "Hey you got anything going on tonight?  I was thinking we could go out and do some drunk driving, wanna go?", is very large is existent.

Even homicide is covered by this whole intent thing.  You can kill someone with ZERO intent and still be charge, tried and convicted of some type of homicide.

Intent here seems to also be utilized in place of knowledge, as in "they did not know they were breaking the law therefore there was no crime"..

A long standing precept in the justice system is ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Searching for "convicted of emailing classified information" yields several cases that are eerily similar in nature except someone is serving time.
  


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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
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Dying Breed wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 5:24pm:
Forwarding classified information to unauthorized parties without clearance is a crime. There's no grey area. Anthony Weiner is not authorized just because he's married to Abedin.

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—



The term “unauthorized person” means any person who, or agency which, is not authorized to receive information of the categories set forth in subsection (a) of this section, by the President, or by the head of a department or agency of the United States Government which is expressly designated by the President to engage in communication intelligence activities for the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798




Comey is the one saying that intent is the standard


  

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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
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billy.pilgrim wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 8:24pm:
Comey is the one saying that intent is the standard




Wouldn't the act of buying the server after signing a form stating you will only use the state department system show intent?
  

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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
Reply #8 - May 3rd, 2017 at 8:31pm
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Goose wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 8:10pm:
hmm...

I am having all kinds of issues with this new term "intent".   People are arrested, charged and convicted on a daily basis that could claim they had no intent to break the law therefore they shouldn't be prosecuted.

I doubt that the number of people who call up a buddy and say "Hey you got anything going on tonight?  I was thinking we could go out and do some drunk driving, wanna go?", is very large is existent.

Even homicide is covered by this whole intent thing.  You can kill someone with ZERO intent and still be charge, tried and convicted of some type of homicide.

Intent here seems to also be utilized in place of knowledge, as in "they did not know they were breaking the law therefore there was no crime"..

A long standing precept in the justice system is ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Searching for "convicted of emailing classified information" yields several cases that are eerily similar in nature except someone is serving time.



What about when the koch bros buy legislation to to allow corporate big boys to avoid the law with a, duh I didn't know clause



http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/exposing-kochs-real-motive-reform-crim...



  

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Re: Comey testified and absolutely destroyed all remaining strawmen
Reply #9 - May 3rd, 2017 at 9:11pm
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billy.pilgrim wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 8:31pm:
What about when the koch bros buy legislation to to allow corporate big boys to avoid the law with a, duh I didn't know clause



http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/exposing-kochs-real-motive-reform-crim...




Thought we were discussing Comey.
  


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