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Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
May 17th, 2017 at 3:26pm
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Gregg Jarrett is a Fox News Reporter.  He is also an Attorney  He makes an interesting legal case about the allegations against Trump, made by unnamed sources, concerning former FBI Director, Comey's "notes" concerning his conversation with President Trump.

Gregg Jarrett: Comey's revenge is a gun without powder
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/16/gregg-jarrett-comeys-revenge-is-gun-wi...


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" Those who don’t know the first thing about the law immediately began hurling words like “obstruction of justice”, “high crimes and misdemeanors” and “impeachment“.   Typically, these people don’t know what they don’t know.

Here is what we do know.

Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States.  Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey.  (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361)  He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law.

So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ?  If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

Obstruction requires what’s called “specific intent” to interfere with a criminal case.  If Comey concluded, however, that Trump’s language was vague, ambiguous or elliptical, then he has no duty under the law to report it because it does not rise to the level of specific intent.  Thus, no crime.   

There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice Department, as he is duty-bound to do.  Surely if he had, that incriminating information would have made its way to the public either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.

Comey’s memo is being treated as a “smoking gun” only because the media and Democrats, likely prompted by Comey himself, are now peddling it that way.

Comey will soon testify before Congress about this and other matters.  His memo will likely be produced pursuant to a subpoena.  The words and the context will matter.

But by writing a memo, Comey has put himself in a box.  If he now accuses the President of obstruction, he places himself in legal jeopardy for failing to promptly and properly report it.  If he says it was merely an uncomfortable conversation, he clears the president of wrongdoing and sullies his own image as a guy who attempted to smear the man who fired him.

Either way, James Comey comes out a loser.  No matter.  The media will hail him a hero. "

  

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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #1 - May 17th, 2017 at 3:32pm
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- good post - that's facts without the liberal media lies and fake news

- see my post where i wrote some of the same things
- why dont liberals know what the President can do legally?
http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1495046418
  

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If we discover he violated the law, charge him.
  
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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #3 - May 17th, 2017 at 3:38pm
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- no one has made a serious charge of obstruction - there is no actual claim of something done to obstruct - did what? - the President can instruct the FBI on investigations and say what he thinks - the President is in charge of the FBI - the FBI testified last week that there was no interference in any investigation
  

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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
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Demos wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
If we discover he violated the law, charge him.

- if? - how is that any different than any other? - but Hillary did violate laws that we know of - charge her?
  

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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
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admin wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
- good post - that's facts without the liberal media lies and fake news

- see my post where i wrote some of the same things
- why dont liberals know what the President can do legally?
http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1495046418

I can't wait for Comey to testify before Congress.  It ought to be quite interesting.  Comey will have to shit or get off the pot.  He can't say that he took this in the way the media are portraying it, or he has committed a felony, by having failed to report it to the AG.

Who knows, it could be that it's good old Trump hating, Hillary Loving Andy McCabe that found Comey's notes and leaked them (after COmey left the Bureau and no longer had access to his work computer).  If McCabe or anyone else did, they are making assumptions about what Comey's personal notes may have meant.  BTW, if they leaked such notes to a reporter, aren't they committing a felony by doing so?

Then again this could turn out to be just like Dan Rather's forged letter about Bush!  Grin
  

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admin wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
- if?

Yeah, IF. All we have to go on is what's been reported. When Congress gets the memos and if Comey is subpeonaed to testify, then we'll know more. But right now, it's an IF. Just like it's an IF on whether or not Trump may have committed obstruction.

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- but Hillary did violate laws that we know of - charge her?

If she violated the law, she should be charged.

Pretty simple.
  
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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
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The Original Wally wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
I can't wait for Comey to testify before Congress.  It ought to be quite interesting.  Comey will have to shit or get off the pot.  He can't say that he took this in the way the media are portraying it, or he has committed a felony, by having failed to report it to the AG.

Who knows, it could be that it's good old Trump hating, Hillary Loving Andy McCabe that found Comey's notes and leaked them (after COmey left the Bureau and no longer had access to his work computer).  If McCabe or anyone else did, they are making assumptions about what Comey's personal notes may have meant.  BTW, if they leaked such notes to a reporter, aren't they committing a felony by doing so?

Then again this could turn out to be just like Dan Rather's forged letter about Bush!  Grin



By all means charge him, but still, thumper is a much bigger story and crime


btw - Dan rather didn't forge a letter.
  

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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #8 - May 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm
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Does it look good when a President appears to have attempted to persuade or influence the FBI to turn away from an investigation that could cause political harm or embarrassment?

This -memo- if true certainly leads one to believe that Comey may have been fired because he chose to continue the investigation.  While not proven it is a reasonable assumption.
  

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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #9 - May 17th, 2017 at 3:54pm
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Lomelis wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Does it look good when a President appears to have attempted to persuade or influence the FBI to turn away from an investigation that could cause political harm or embarrassment?

This -memo- if true certainly leads one to believe that Comey may have been fired because he chose to continue the investigation.  While not proven it is a reasonable assumption.


I'm no Trump lover so let Comey prove it. Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. Best to see where this all goes.

Whether it's a reasonable assumption is where partisanship comes in. We know each side will dig in with their talking points.

Just look at the board.  Wink
  
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