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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #40 - May 17th, 2017 at 7:34pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
The FBI is running a counter-intelligence investigation looking at the Russian actions to manipulate the election.  Part of this investigation is looking at how the Trump team may have collaborated with the Russians.  Flynn was part of the Trump campaign.  That investigation IS STILL OPEN.  They have NOT shut down that investigation.

No one has charged Flynn with a crime at this point.  But neither have they given him a clean bill of health.  He was part of the team, the team is still being investigated, and there is no reason to believe that they will not look into Flynn again if at some point they have reason to do so.

You are stating this like Flynn was in a courtroom trial, he was cleared, and now he is proven innocent.  Nothing like that has happened.

I'm fully aware of the counter-intelligence investigation into Russians interfering in our elections... that is not the point, my point is that the focus is not on Flynn specifically anymore as he was cleared of the item they were investigating him for before Trump met with Comey.
Think about this, why would Trump ask him to stop investigating only Flynn when they are investigating the entire team. Why wouldn't Trump just say to Comey that he hopes he can stop investigating his entire team?!
The FBI Flynn specific investigation was done on the 24th... anything after that is being done by other committees not the FBI other than the broad team investigation.
  
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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #41 - May 17th, 2017 at 7:57pm
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The Original Wally wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:26pm:
Gregg Jarrett is a Fox News Reporter.  He is also an Attorney  He makes an interesting legal case about the allegations against Trump, made by unnamed sources, concerning former FBI Director, Comey's "notes" concerning his conversation with President Trump.

Gregg Jarrett: Comey's revenge is a gun without powder
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/16/gregg-jarrett-comeys-revenge-is-gun-wi...


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" Those who don’t know the first thing about the law immediately began hurling words like “obstruction of justice”, “high crimes and misdemeanors” and “impeachment“.   Typically, these people don’t know what they don’t know.

Here is what we do know.

Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States.  Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey.  (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361)  He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law.

So, if Comey believed Trump attempted to obstruct justice, did he comply with the law by reporting it to the DOJ?  If not, it calls into question whether the events occurred as the Times reported it.

Obstruction requires what’s called “specific intent” to interfere with a criminal case.  If Comey concluded, however, that Trump’s language was vague, ambiguous or elliptical, then he has no duty under the law to report it because it does not rise to the level of specific intent.  Thus, no crime.   

There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice Department, as he is duty-bound to do.  Surely if he had, that incriminating information would have made its way to the public either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.

Comey’s memo is being treated as a “smoking gun” only because the media and Democrats, likely prompted by Comey himself, are now peddling it that way.

Comey will soon testify before Congress about this and other matters.  His memo will likely be produced pursuant to a subpoena.  The words and the context will matter.

But by writing a memo, Comey has put himself in a box.  If he now accuses the President of obstruction, he places himself in legal jeopardy for failing to promptly and properly report it.  If he says it was merely an uncomfortable conversation, he clears the president of wrongdoing and sullies his own image as a guy who attempted to smear the man who fired him.

Either way, James Comey comes out a loser.  No matter.  The media will hail him a hero. "



How remarkably impartial and non-partisan.

Clearly this guy is not taking sides.





On our news, nobody knows how to play this.... our (kind of) ally is visibly struggling to maintain any sort of credibility or dignity at the top.


If it was some backwater semi-democracy, the news media could have some fun, but, er, it's America.

Another complication is that we just voted for the most stupid political move ever, and are about to give Mrs. May a free hand to feed the Brexit gibbons, so really we can't lampoon your hilarious mis-step in having Mr. Trump as your, ahahaha, ahhhahahaha, sorry, President.
  

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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #42 - May 17th, 2017 at 8:46pm
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Josie wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 7:26pm:
Well clearly I haven't seen it, please direct me.

You quoted it in reply 27.
  
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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #43 - May 17th, 2017 at 9:35pm
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Demos wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:46pm:
You quoted it in reply 27.


How very awkward.
  

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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #44 - May 17th, 2017 at 11:29pm
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Limey wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 9:35pm:
How very awkward.


Not really... it's very easy to miss a link when it is written like this.

  
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Reply #45 - May 17th, 2017 at 11:31pm
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Demos wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 8:46pm:
You quoted it in reply 27.


As I said in another post, I'm not referring to the broader investigation into Trump's team.

  
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Reply #46 - May 18th, 2017 at 12:20am
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Not sure how a note is a smoking gun.
  

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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #47 - May 18th, 2017 at 12:52am
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The Hamster is at it Again wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 12:20am:
Not sure how a note is a smoking gun.


never know what a note might lead to.

"A Kenton County man could spend more than two decades in prison for molesting a child.
In October 2013, Covington detectives were called to a school for a report of a student who had been sexually abused.
Investigators said they were given a note written by an 8-year-old child that described how Eric Rivera had sexually abused her for several years.

The note, addressed to "Jesus," had been placed in a Bible, police said."

http://www.wlwt.com/article/note-left-in-bible-helps-lead-to-child-molester-s-co...

  
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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #48 - May 18th, 2017 at 5:06am
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Lomelis wrote on May 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Does it look good when a President appears to have attempted to persuade or influence the FBI to turn away from an investigation that could cause political harm or embarrassment?

This -memo- if true certainly leads one to believe that Comey may have been fired because he chose to continue the investigation.  While not proven it is a reasonable assumption.


It would be so easy for Comey to produce the memo to someone in Congress, or better yet, show it to one person from each political party at the same time.
  
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Re: Either Comey's committed a felony or the charges against Trump are bogus
Reply #49 - May 18th, 2017 at 6:16am
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crepe05 wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 5:06am:
It would be so easy for Comey to produce the memo to someone in Congress, or better yet, show it to one person from each political party at the same time.

The House Oversight Committee Chair have requested Comey to produce this and all other notes he way have which detail conversations with other officials, including, but limited to Loretta Lynch.  He said if they are not forthcoming, then he will issue a subpoena for them.
He went on to say that since COmey was meeting with such people in the capacity of the FBI Director, all such notes (memos) rightfully are the property of the US Government (FBI).  He said the request has been made directly to the FBI and will be made to Comey, as son as they.

It would appear that Cormey has once again been playing politics, but you can't just hit and run.  Politics ain't bean bags!
  

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