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May 19th, 2017 at 8:35am
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I tuned in to see what Carlson's show was all about. This was interesting. Too bad he didn't post the interview with his first guest after he opined.  It was interesting to say the least.

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http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/18/tucker-carlson-take-progressives-must-cond...


"Tucker Carlson believes the left wants to remove President Donald Trump by any means necessary, and he says this highlights the drastic and dangerous changes the progressive movement has undergone in the past several decades.

"The modern left is no longer an ideological movement. Instead it's an organized movement around identity politics," Tucker said on tonight's show.

He warned that dividing Americans into "sub-groups" and promoting "tribalism" is dangerous for our democracy.

He said that modern progressives don't want to argue and have a reasonable discussion. They want their "team" to win, and some of them are willing to use violence to do so, as we've recently seen at protests across the country.


"Violence is what separates politics from war," Tucker said. "It's when hurt feelings become dead bodies, the point at which countries become ungovernable."

He noted that he's recently had progressives on his program, and when pressed, they refused to condemn political violence.

He concluded that "we are in danger" as long as that's the case."
  
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Reply #1 - May 19th, 2017 at 8:47am
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Found the link to his first guest.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/tucker-carlson-tonight/index.html#/v/5440397757001

Sounds like a few around here.  Wink
  
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Reply #2 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:48am
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The sociopath will always accuse YOU of what they are guilty of themselves..
  

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The indoctrination of identity politics began on the colleges and universities and became the topic of mind sync in the faculty lounge, long before it went mainstream.   Just as we now laugh at the absurdity of the current behavior of 'snowflakes' on college campuses, few outside of academia took this seriously at the time.  The identity politics of the colleges migrated to Hollywood and very soon became part of the mainstream Democrat lexicon.  Scared to death by the media and of not being politically correct, cowardly Republicans began their pandering to various groups, as well.  The Marxists then added such diverse groups as transgenders, homosexuals and those who 'feel' they may be something which they are not.

The next step in the progression will be the elimination of all speech which is not politically correct.  OOPS: Too late, we are already there...well, almost!
  

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Reply #4 - May 19th, 2017 at 10:27am
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The Original Wally wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:05am:
The indoctrination of identity politics began on the colleges and universities and became the topic of mind sync in the faculty lounge, long before it went mainstream.   Just as we now laugh at the absurdity of the current behavior of 'snowflakes' on college campuses, few outside of academia took this seriously at the time.  The identity politics of the colleges migrated to Hollywood and very soon became part of the mainstream Democrat lexicon.  Scared to death by the media and of not being politically correct, cowardly Republicans began their pandering to various groups, as well.  The Marxists then added such diverse groups as transgenders, homosexuals and those who 'feel' they may be something which they are not.




Imaginative rewrite of history .. . btw- you don't actually know what Marxism is.. do you?

  

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Reply #5 - May 19th, 2017 at 11:00am
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Is Carlson just discovering this?  For a LONG time now, the democrats have focused on generating paranoia among politically-correct groups.  The politically-correct groups are anyone who isn't a heterosexual white male.  In the last election, this finally got across to white working men, who were formerly the bedrock of the democrat party.  Now lots of them are struggling to survive economically, and listen to the lib media, the propaganda arm of the democrat party, tell them all day that they have "white privilege".  Hence the election results.
  
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Reply #6 - May 19th, 2017 at 11:53am
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Fiddler wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:27am:
Imaginative rewrite of history .. . btw- you don't actually know what Marxism is.. do you?


Adorno and Marcuse were not Marxists?
  

"Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist." J M Keynes

"In the first place, the dichotomy between "theoretical" and "practical" is a false one. In economics, all arguments are theoretical. And, since economics discusses the real world, these theoretical arguments are by their nature "practical" ones as well." M Rothbard
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Reply #7 - May 19th, 2017 at 11:54am
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Fiddler wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:48am:
The sociopath will always accuse YOU of what they are guilty of themselves..

That's a fair point. Trump's campaign was an exercise in identity politics.
  

"Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist." J M Keynes

"In the first place, the dichotomy between "theoretical" and "practical" is a false one. In economics, all arguments are theoretical. And, since economics discusses the real world, these theoretical arguments are by their nature "practical" ones as well." M Rothbard
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TowardLiberty wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Adorno and Marcuse were not Marxists?



Indeed.. Adorno wrote much about the idolatry of distraction..  I imagine he'd see the Internet as the end of civilization ..
  

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Reply #9 - May 19th, 2017 at 2:12pm
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Fiddler wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 10:27am:
Imaginative rewrite of history .. . btw- you don't actually know what Marxism is.. do you?


Notes from an article by Phyllis Schalfly titled " Alinski's Rules: Must Reading In Obama Era," posted at www.ibdeditorials.com (2-2-09)

       "The qualities Alinsky looked for in a good organizer were:

ego ("reaching for the highest level for which man can reach — to create, to be a 'great creator,' to play God"),

curiosity (raising "questions that agitate, that break through the accepted pattern"),

irreverence ("nothing is sacred"; the organizer "detests dogma, defies any finite definition of morality"),

imagination ("the fuel for the force that keeps an organizer organizing"),

a sense of humor ("the most potent weapons known to mankind are satire and ridicule"), and an

organized personality with confidence in presenting the right reason for his actions only "as a moral rationalization after the right end has been achieved.'...

"'The organizer's first job is to create the issues or problems,' and 'organizations must be based on many issues.' The organizer 'must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.'"

"The first step in community organization is community disorganization. The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization. Present arrangements must be disorganized if they are  to be displace by new patterns.... All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new." p.116

"An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent... He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises....
     "The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. p.117

Tactics

"Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which human beings live with each other and deal with the world around them. ... Here our concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves." p.126


"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

"Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose."

"If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative."

Pick the target, freeze it, ersonalize it, and polarize it.  In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...


     "...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'
  

" The few will always act like the few.

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