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May 24th, 2017 at 9:36pm
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I venture here with trepidation and a bit of humility.


Possibly this version of my Religion/politics board thread will attract responses here which differ from them.

As I understand it,  the islamist bombers believe that they're going to heaven for their actions.

Is this evidence of severe mental disorder, or simply a misunderstanding of the details in their religion on their part?

How would a Christian consider this, using, say, Shelley Shannon or any other self-professed Christian who killed abortion providers as a reference point?

Thank you for your responses in advance.
  

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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2017 at 10:53am
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Limey wrote on May 24th, 2017 at 9:36pm:
I venture here with trepidation and a bit of humility.


Possibly this version of my Religion/politics board thread will attract responses here which differ from them.

As I understand it,  the islamist bombers believe that they're going to heaven for their actions.

Is this evidence of severe mental disorder, or simply a misunderstanding of the details in their religion on their part?

How would a Christian consider this, using, say, Shelley Shannon or any other self-professed Christian who killed abortion providers as a reference point?

Thank you for your responses in advance.

Your latter point I want to address first, nothing in scripture states we are to take anyone's life, much less an abortion doctor.  The Bible says Vengance is mine says the Lord. I am not ordained to carry out God's wrath nor is anyone else, I am ordained to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.  If anyone claims to be a Christian and murders his brother I can honestly state, according to God's word, he is lying and is NOT a believer.  The two are completely incompatible.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

Charles Carroll, signer of the DOI
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Reply #2 - May 26th, 2017 at 1:18pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 10:53am:
Your latter point I want to address first, nothing in scripture states we are to take anyone's life, much less an abortion doctor.  The Bible says Vengance is mine says the Lord. I am not ordained to carry out God's wrath nor is anyone else, I am ordained to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.  If anyone claims to be a Christian and murders his brother I can honestly state, according to God's word, he is lying and is NOT a believer.  The two are completely incompatible.
That's good to hear Seawolf. That tells me you're against the death penalty. That's good. And it tells me you're Pro-Choice, since the Anti-Choice crowd that pushes abstinence only, if allowed to succeed, would result in a horrible increase in deaths of innocent children and mothers. Good for you Seawolf. You're becoming a better liberal every day!
  
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Reply #3 - May 26th, 2017 at 5:24pm
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Muckster wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 1:18pm:
That's good to hear Seawolf. That tells me you're against the death penalty. That's good. And it tells me you're Pro-Choice, since the Anti-Choice crowd that pushes abstinence only, if allowed to succeed, would result in a horrible increase in deaths of innocent children and mothers. Good for you Seawolf. You're becoming a better liberal every day!

Your stats or is this another talking point void of facts?
  


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Reply #4 - May 26th, 2017 at 7:36pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 25th, 2017 at 10:53am:
Your latter point I want to address first, nothing in scripture states we are to take anyone's life, much less an abortion doctor.  The Bible says Vengance is mine says the Lord. I am not ordained to carry out God's wrath nor is anyone else, I am ordained to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.  If anyone claims to be a Christian and murders his brother I can honestly state, according to God's word, he is lying and is NOT a believer.  The two are completely incompatible.


Thanks Seawolf.

Sidetrack: where does that leave you on capital punishment?
  

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Reply #5 - May 26th, 2017 at 9:51pm
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Limey wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Thanks Seawolf.

Sidetrack: where does that leave you on capital punishment?

I believe in justice, I support it.
  


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Seawolf wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 9:51pm:
I believe in justice, I support it.



Won't it take a contortion to square the two positions?
  

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Reply #7 - May 28th, 2017 at 10:57pm
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Limey wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Won't it take a contortion to square the two positions?

No, laws demand justice.  Should Hitler pay for the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives he took, for example?
  


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Reply #8 - May 29th, 2017 at 6:19pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 28th, 2017 at 10:57pm:
No, laws demand justice.  Should Hitler pay for the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives he took, for example?


But, obviously,  humans are fallible. 

From time to time an innocent person will be judicially executed.
  

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Seawolf wrote on May 26th, 2017 at 5:24pm:
Your stats or is this another talking point void of facts?
Them's the facts. Why do you think so many health professionals do not support abstinance only approaches? They recognize that that alone not only doesn't address the problem but actually leads to worse results, as does limiting women's access to abortion services. Unfortunately Flat-earthers like yourself only seem to be able to consider one level of information - the earth looks flat, therefore it must BE flat.
  
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