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I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil...
May 29th, 2017 at 10:03am
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God makes no bones about it, He creates evil. Shall a trumpet sound in a city and the Lord has not caused it? 

He then demands, doesn't ask, but demands that we love Him above all others. 

Can I ask how a Christian can worship He who creates evil and makes woe?

Why did He make pain?  Don't give me any crap about pain allowing us to detect probelms in our body, any jukebox manufacturer could have done better.  Why not a bright red neon sign on our forehead that lights up when there's a problem? 

Apparently, writhing around in pain on our death bed is how He wants some of us to die.  How is that not absurd to you?

  

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Re: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil...
Reply #1 - May 29th, 2017 at 6:18pm
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You cannot understand Him, however, you absolutely have to accept that He loves you and you must worship Him.


Luckily,  there are numerous people around to explain Scripture,  you should easily find one you're comfortable with.
  

Under Capitalism, Man exploits Man.

Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Reply #2 - May 30th, 2017 at 4:07am
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Capt. Lola B.S.C. wrote on May 29th, 2017 at 10:03am:
God makes no bones about it, He creates evil. Shall a trumpet sound in a city and the Lord has not caused it? 

He then demands, doesn't ask, but demands that we love Him above all others. 

Can I ask how a Christian can worship He who creates evil and makes woe?

Why did He make pain?  Don't give me any crap about pain allowing us to detect probelms in our body, any jukebox manufacturer could have done better.  Why not a bright red neon sign on our forehead that lights up when there's a problem? 

Apparently, writhing around in pain on our death bed is how He wants some of us to die.  How is that not absurd to you?


Apparently, Christians, have a very loose definition of "love". For example, we're supposed to believe that god loves the child that dies of a very painful disease. He loves him to death, literally.

The Christians also loved the "heretics" that they burned at the stake...
  

Non sequitur:

The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil...
Reply #3 - May 30th, 2017 at 5:38pm
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An Objection: Is God Responsible for All Evil?

Frequently it is alleged, however, that ultimately God is responsible for “evil” — for had he not created angels and men, the evil they have generated would not exist.

The logic employed in this objection is flawed, and the critic who makes it will scarcely stay with it in a consistent manner.

No greater compliment could have been paid to man than to have been created in the very image of God (Gen. 1:26-27). A part of that “creation package” was the gift of personal volition, that is, the ability to make moral choices. There are only two logical possibilities — one might be created with “free will,” or without “free will.”

Now which option is the obvious expression of love (cf. 1 Jn. 4:8). The former, of course. The Lord thus signally honored human beings by granting them the personal power of choice. Once such action was taken, the Creator is not morally culpable if the gift of choice is abused, and the possessor thereof elects to pursue the road of danger and destruction.

Is the designer or manufacturer of an automobile morally responsible for the drunk driver who runs down and kills an innocent child? And what of the godly mother who made every effort to raise her children in harmony with the Lord’s will; is she accountable for the actions of a wayward offspring who robs a bank or commits murder? These questions hardly need an expressed answer.

And so, while God is the Maker of men, he is not morally indictable for the follies of those upon whom he bestowed one of the greatest gifts possible — that of genuine freedom!

Scripture References

Isaiah 45:7; Isaiah 45:5-7; Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; Deuteronomy 32:4; Habakkuk 1:13; James 1:13-14; John 1:1; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; John 12:42; Acts 2:41, 44; Romans 3:10; Matthew 1:19; Matthew 7:1; John 7:24; Ephesians 2:9; James 2:24; Mark 7:21-23; Isaiah 47:10-11; Jeremiah 18:8; Ecclesiastes 12:1; Romans 5:12; Genesis 1:26-27; John 4:8

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/676-did-god-create-evil
  


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Please don't use the word "logic" in a conversation about religion,  it's like using the word "graceful"  in a conversation about fat people humping.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2017 at 7:44pm
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Limey wrote on May 30th, 2017 at 7:43pm:
Please don't use the word "logic" in a conversation about religion,  it's like using the word "graceful"  in a conversation about fat people humping.


Actually,  "moral" too.
  

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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2017 at 10:10pm
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Seawolf wrote on May 30th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
An Objection: Is God Responsible for All Evil?

Frequently it is alleged, however, that ultimately God is responsible for “evil” — for had he not created angels and men, the evil they have generated would not exist.

The logic employed in this objection is flawed, and the critic who makes it will scarcely stay with it in a consistent manner.

No greater compliment could have been paid to man than to have been created in the very image of God (Gen. 1:26-27). A part of that “creation package” was the gift of personal volition, that is, the ability to make moral choices. There are only two logical possibilities — one might be created with “free will,” or without “free will.”

Now which option is the obvious expression of love (cf. 1 Jn. 4:8). The former, of course. The Lord thus signally honored human beings by granting them the personal power of choice. Once such action was taken, the Creator is not morally culpable if the gift of choice is abused, and the possessor thereof elects to pursue the road of danger and destruction.

Is the designer or manufacturer of an automobile morally responsible for the drunk driver who runs down and kills an innocent child? And what of the godly mother who made every effort to raise her children in harmony with the Lord’s will; is she accountable for the actions of a wayward offspring who robs a bank or commits murder? These questions hardly need an expressed answer.

And so, while God is the Maker of men, he is not morally indictable for the follies of those upon whom he bestowed one of the greatest gifts possible — that of genuine freedom!

Scripture References

Isaiah 45:7; Isaiah 45:5-7; Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; Deuteronomy 32:4; Habakkuk 1:13; James 1:13-14; John 1:1; 1 Corinthians 8:4-6; John 12:42; Acts 2:41, 44; Romans 3:10; Matthew 1:19; Matthew 7:1; John 7:24; Ephesians 2:9; James 2:24; Mark 7:21-23; Isaiah 47:10-11; Jeremiah 18:8; Ecclesiastes 12:1; Romans 5:12; Genesis 1:26-27; John 4:8

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/676-did-god-create-evil


If that were true, then He either isn't omniscient or He doesn't care that some men (and some women, Jasmine) would go on to become amoral monsters.
  

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Re: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil...
Reply #7 - May 31st, 2017 at 5:56am
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Limey wrote on May 30th, 2017 at 7:43pm:
Please don't use the word "logic" in a conversation about religion,  it's like using the word "graceful"  in a conversation about fat people humping.


Are you a fat bigot?
  

Non sequitur:

The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Reply #8 - May 31st, 2017 at 5:59am
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Capt. Lola B.S.C. wrote on May 30th, 2017 at 10:10pm:
If that were true, then He either isn't omniscient or He doesn't care that some men (and some women, Jasmine) would go on to become amoral monsters.


According to the Buddhist faith Jasmine's next incarnation should be of a worm or something really disgraceful. Coincidentally, so should trump's.
  

Non sequitur:

The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil...
Reply #9 - Jun 1st, 2017 at 1:09am
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BowHunter wrote on May 31st, 2017 at 5:59am:
According to the Buddhist faith Jasmine's next incarnation should be of a worm or something really disgraceful. Coincidentally, so should trump's.


I had a good friend in college, referred to himself as a zen Buddhist.  He was beyond cool and somehow intensely mellow as I remember.
  

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