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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #190 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 6:58am
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Many scholars think that this is a true story rather then a parable due to how it is told as a matter of fact.  Debatable.  Also note that the sin IS identified based on the man's behavior towards Lazarus and is described in the study I linked and because of the context within Jesus's teaching.
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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #191 - Jul 7th, 2017 at 7:09am
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I am also noting, and I COULD be wrong, you will need to clarify, that you do not believe that Christ is the way to our salvation.  In fact, you seem to suggest that the Old Testament and New Testament are at odds about Jesus.  I would highly suggest you read Isaiah 53.  Here is an example of the description of the prophecy of the Messiah.

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But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.

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We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all
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He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
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By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
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He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.

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Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    [b]and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin
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he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #192 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 8:05pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 7th, 2017 at 6:37am:
Here is your issue, you never ask questions


I don't ask you questions because you don't know anything.

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Obviously there is information you need to understand the culture and the event but doctrine contrived by men, for example Oneness vs. Trinity.


So then you shouldn't read the Bible by "imagin[ing] that you live on an island never having been exposed to Christianity."  Good to know!  LMAO
  

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #193 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 10:06pm
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Running Deer wrote on Jul 10th, 2017 at 8:05pm:
I don't ask you questions because you don't know anything.


So then you shouldn't read the Bible by "imagin[ing] that you live on an island never having been exposed to Christianity."  Good to know!  LMAO

You do love to pivot when in a pinch.
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #194 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:21pm
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Limey wrote on Jun 15th, 2017 at 7:13am:
"Evolution" &  "the origin of life" aren't the same thing.


There is no question at all that evolution happens,  except amongst people who have deliberately chosen to ignore facts which disagree with literal interpretation of the Bible.


'Tis true that evolution and the origin of life are not the same thing.  I think it's also true that evolution as the origin of species is still an unproven theory.  But so is Creation by a higher being. 

There are "theistic evolutionists" about.  I know some.  Their belief is in a Creator who started the ball rolling and then orchestrated what we call "evolution" to create species.  Could be. 

I do not believe the earth is only 10,000 years old as some literalists do.  I had a conversation with one once who told me there were two views based on biblical genealogies: one set the earth at 6,000 years old and one at 10,000.  He told me he subscribed to the 10,000 year old figure because "the 6,000 year old genealogy was 'incomplete.'"  I asked him how he knew the 10,000 year old one was not also incomplete.  He just stared at me until it got a little awkward and I walked away. The teaching of Genesis is "God created."  Not "the earth is 10,000 (or 6,000) years old."

I personally find it hard to separate the fact of a Creation which I can clearly see around me from a Creator.  I find it harder to believe in a "singularity" that sprang from nothing absent a Creator creating it that then exploded and is continuing to expand.  I find it fairly easy to equate the idea of a Big Bang with a creation event by a Creator.

The history of man has been people seeing all this around them and thinking "something or somebody made all this and we better not make him angry."  Then the Creator revealed Himself to us. 

But both theories require some suspension of disbelief, I suppose, and God is the author of faith. 
  

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #195 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:43pm
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Elmer Fudd wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
But both theories require some suspension of disbelief, I suppose, and God is the author of faith. 



Creationism indeed does require one to suspend one's critical thinking skills.. That's why it's called 'Faith' in a creator.  Faith being belief in spite of the lack of evidence.

Evolution simply requires an examination of the evidence..



  
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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #196 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 4:59pm
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Elmer makes points with which even ardent atheists wouldn't disagree.


In doing so,  he doubtless riles the literalists, who must, always, shy away from anything approaching a sensible conversation.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #197 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:44pm
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Fiddler wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
Creationism indeed does require one to suspend one's critical thinking skills.. That's why it's called 'Faith' in a creator.  Faith being belief in spite of the lack of evidence.

Evolution simply requires an examination of the evidence..




Out of nothing comes life requires far greater faith then even I can have.
  


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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #198 - Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:24pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Out of nothing comes life requires far greater faith then even I can have.


"Out of nothing comes life" doesn't require 'faith'.. it simply requires exploration.. 

There is no question that mankind will solve the secret of life exactly in the same manner as we now dissect the atom, walk in space or disassemble genes and reorder them with intent.

It is not a barrier that can not be broken..

In fact... You'll probably live long enough to deny the accomplishment..

  
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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #199 - Jul 19th, 2017 at 1:00am
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Fiddler wrote on Jul 18th, 2017 at 11:24pm:
"Out of nothing comes life" doesn't require 'faith'.. it simply requires exploration.. 

There is no question that mankind will solve the secret of life exactly in the same manner as we now dissect the atom, walk in space or disassemble genes and reorder them with intent.

It is not a barrier that can not be broken..

In fact... You'll probably live long enough to deny the accomplishment..




How about "out of nothing comes a super magical being"? According to someone's logic that should require a bigger faith, much bigger.
  

Non sequitur:

Donkey Hoe Tay wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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