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Reply #270 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:24pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:17pm:
For the same reason that everyone saying in 1650 that malaria was an airborne disease wasn't evidence that malaria was an airborne disease.


So because some beliefs in the past were false they all are false?


  


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Reply #271 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:04pm
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Frank1 wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
So because some beliefs in the past were false they all are false?




Or if testimony is given in a trial, and that testimony turns out not to be true (the testifier didn't lie, he was just mistaken), that testimony no longer qualifies as "evidence?"
  

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Reply #272 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:06pm
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BowHunter wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:12pm:
That's still doesn't make it an airborne disease.

The problem with you is that you'll say anything, just to say that people were right about one thing or wrong about another, like:

"Hey, people who thought the Earth was flat were right after all! It isn't oval!"

Or we get your passive aggressive denigrating response:

"Hey, I am sure you think you're right."

Or things to that effect.


I have never said anything remotely like that.  I didn't even say people were right when they said malaria was an airborne disease.  But I will refrain from further discussion.  You are too thin skinned.
  

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Reply #273 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:58pm
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It wasn't evidence because, like the belief that there is a Creator, it isn't based upon observation.

Although I take your point Mr. Fudd.

In court, saying "I saw Elmer picked k up the bottle of Scotch, look furtively around, hide it under his exquisite ballgown skirts and leave without paying" is witness evidence.


Saying "I did a stock check, there was a bottle of Scotch missing. In my opinion the likely explanation is that Elmer Fudd smuggled it out, because the alternative - that Frank 1 stole it by means of a matter transference beam powered by Eucharist wafers- requires a greater suspension of disbelief " isn't evidence it's conjecture.
  

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Reply #274 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 3:01pm
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EF wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:04pm:
Or if testimony is given in a trial, and that testimony turns out not to be true (the testifier didn't lie, he was just mistaken), that testimony no longer qualifies as "evidence?"


Testimony in court is only permissible if the witness has direct personal information from their own senses.


  

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Reply #275 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:55pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 3:01pm:
Testimony in court is only permissible if the witness has direct personal information from their own senses.




I agree.  And more than a few times what that witness says he saw, heard, smelled, or whatever, and believes to be so, turns out to be untrue. (It's one of the reasons you oppose the death penalty, in fact.)  But it was still "evidence" under the plain meaning of the word as shown in any English dictionary.
  

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Reply #276 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 6:07pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
It wasn't evidence because, like the belief that there is a Creator, it isn't based upon observation.


Does all evidence have to be based on observation?  If so why?

  


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Reply #277 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:25pm
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Frank1 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 8:56pm:
But anyways, a big question is, "what is evidence"?


External, verifiable, mind-independent facts that speak to the truth of the matter asserted.

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For example, is the fact that religions across the planet account for life on this planet having its origins in an "other-worldly source."  Is this evidence?


Most Asian religions don't, Buddhism especially.  But the answer, of course, is no.
  

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Reply #278 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:26pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 3:01pm:
Testimony in court is only permissible if the witness has direct personal information from their own senses.


Generally true, but there are exceptions to the hearsay rule.
  

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Reply #279 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:32pm
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EF wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
Except that I think it WAS evidence.


No.  Beliefs about a matter are not mind-independent facts of the truth of the matter.  What I believe about malaria is not evidence of what malaria actually is.
  

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