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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #280 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:35pm
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Running Deer wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:26pm:
Generally true, but there are exceptions to the hearsay rule.


Indeed so. As a former prosecutor and Magistrate, my view is that recently in English courts hearsay has become too loosely applied.


Whether that's in any way appropriate to mention on this thread I shall leave for others.
  

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #281 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:51am
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Running Deer wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:26pm:
Generally true, but there are exceptions to the hearsay rule.


Declaration against self-interest (which could easily be self-deprecating humor but the law has obviously no sense of humor whatsoever), dying declaration (which is odd since people are rarely of a sound mind when they're dying... More often than not it's just delirious and incoherent but the law is weird) and also excited utterance, which is also weird since people can easily fake excitement...
  

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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #282 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 4:11am
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Frank1 wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
So because some beliefs in the past were false they all are false?



Well, you should at the very least recognize that that makes them somewhat suspicious.

I am assuming that you know that "false belief" is kind of a misnomer as a belief is neither true nor false, it's a belief. Unless you think that people were lying and that they actually believed something else which would be kind of paranoid of you.
  

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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #283 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 4:20am
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EF wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
I agree.  And more than a few times what that witness says he saw, heard, smelled, or whatever, and believes to be so, turns out to be untrue. (It's one of the reasons you oppose the death penalty, in fact.)  But it was still "evidence" under the plain meaning of the word as shown in any English dictionary.


Yes, we're opposed to the death penalty because it's irreversible even if the person is later found innocent you can't bring that person back to life. However, when you stop to think about it, any kind of sentence does irreversible damage even one that is considered light. No one can give you back the years sent in jail or the lost opportunities because people were repelled by your criminal record and even if it's later expunged, the stigma will stay, they'll always be people who'll believe that you've been let off easy. Anyway, the law is a terrible thing, the less one is confronted with it the better off they'll be.
  

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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #284 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 4:33am
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Limey wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:35pm:
Indeed so. As a former prosecutor and Magistrate, my view is that recently in English courts hearsay has become too loosely applied.


Whether that's in any way appropriate to mention on this thread I shall leave for others.


You mean the odds of this thread evolving into something more interesting are zero?
  

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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #285 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 2:16pm
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Running Deer wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:25pm:
External, verifiable, mind-independent facts that speak to the truth of the matter asserted.


What do you mean by mind-independent?

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Most Asian religions don't, Buddhism especially.  But the answer, of course, is no.


How about the "Tao that is mother of 10,000 things."  For instance?

I think people get confused by semantic differences between Eastern and Western religions.  But the general truths are the same in both, once you dig beneath the surface.  Truth knows no East or West, as they say.
  


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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #286 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:56pm
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Frank1 wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
What do you mean by mind-independent?


Something that exists outside of and separate from human perception.  For example, we can determine that an apple reflects certain bands of light that (most) humans will experience as red.  Hence, the apple is red.  That's mind-independent.  The experience of seeing a red apple, the qualia of it, is mind-dependent.

Of course, we have to use our minds to examine things that are mind-independent, but that is not the same as thinking that all things are Big Mind.
  

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #287 - Sep 2nd, 2017 at 8:25pm
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Running Deer wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:56pm:
Something that exists outside of and separate from human perception.  For example, we can determine that an apple reflects certain bands of light that (most) humans will experience as red.  Hence, the apple is red.  That's mind-independent.  The experience of seeing a red apple, the qualia of it, is mind-dependent.

Of course, we have to use our minds to examine things that are mind-independent, but that is not the same as thinking that all things are Big Mind.


So basically evidence must be material?

Or could the definition of mind-independent be expanded to mean phenomena, both material and non-material, that are experienced by multiple minds (as multiple humans will see the apple as red)?
  


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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #288 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:13am
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Frank1 wrote on Sep 2nd, 2017 at 8:25pm:
So basically evidence must be material?

Or could the definition of mind-independent be expanded to mean phenomena, both material and non-material, that are experienced by multiple minds (as multiple humans will see the apple as red)?


Not reliable :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria#Notable_cases
  

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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #289 - Sep 5th, 2017 at 2:24pm
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 9:13am:


Humans have all manner of common emotional/psychological experiences that are immaterial. 

  


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