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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #300 - Oct 22nd, 2017 at 11:58pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 15th, 2017 at 9:49am:
I don't really follow group thinking.  I personally think it's insane to believe life created itself out of nothing.  There is nothing rational about that statement.


You are confusing abiogenesis with the big bang or cosmic egg theory.


Abiogensis, or the begning of what we call life, had plenty of material to work with.  In other words, everything needed to put together the first living cell existed already.

The big bang is a theory discovered by a catholic monk, Georges Lematrie.  It IS God's theory apparently.

Einstein heard his lecture and is reported to have stood up and exclaimed it was the best theory to explain the origins of the universe, I've ever heard.




  

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #301 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 11:37am
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Capt. Lola B.S.C. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2017 at 11:58pm:
You are confusing abiogenesis with the big bang or cosmic egg theory.


Abiogensis, or the begning of what we call life, had plenty of material to work with.  In other words, everything needed to put together the first living cell existed already.

The big bang is a theory discovered by a catholic monk, Georges Lematrie.  It IS God's theory apparently.

Einstein heard his lecture and is reported to have stood up and exclaimed it was the best theory to explain the origins of the universe, I've ever heard.

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Where did that material originate?
  


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Reply #302 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 2:55pm
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Seawolf wrote on Oct 23rd, 2017 at 11:37am:
Where did that material originate?


Energy and Matter are cosmically interchangeable.  The Energy from the Big Bang coalesced into matter specifically sub-atomic particles.  .. these into heavier atoms. atoms into molecules.. etc etc..



Is this where you sarcastically ask "Where did the Energy come from?"?  That's what most religious types go to next.

Let me know and I'll do my best to explain.  Then we can get onto your next "Where did ______ come from?"

  
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Reply #303 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 3:04pm
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Capt. Lola B.S.C. wrote on Oct 22nd, 2017 at 11:58pm:
Einstein heard his lecture and is reported to have stood up and exclaimed it was the best theory to explain the origins of the universe, I've ever heard.





Einstein was at the time a "Steady State" Universe guy.  i.e. No expansion.  Lemaître's "Expanding" Universe pissed Einstein off.
  
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Reply #304 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 5:52pm
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Cranberry Sass wrote on Oct 23rd, 2017 at 2:55pm:
Energy and Matter are cosmically interchangeable.  The Energy from the Big Bang coalesced into matter specifically sub-atomic particles.  .. these into heavier atoms. atoms into molecules.. etc etc..



Is this where you sarcastically ask "Where did the Energy come from?"?  That's what most religious types go to next.

Let me know and I'll do my best to explain.  Then we can get onto your next "Where did ______ come from?"


You did not answer the question, not surprised.
  


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Reply #305 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 7:19pm
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Seawolf, did you really post “I don’t really follow group thinking”?
  

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Reply #306 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 7:40pm
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We don't know where the Big Bang came from, or if it even makes sense to say that it came from anything at all.  Because natural laws were created at the same time as the universe, it may be impossible to figure out the answer.

That said, there is absolutely zero evidence that a literal reading of Genesis is correct and mountains of evidence that it is not.  This is only a problem to Christians who are silly enough to interpret a 3000-year old epic poem as the literal history of the universe.  Most Christians no longer do, and it's not clear if most Christians ever did.
  

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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #307 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 8:31pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 15th, 2017 at 6:56am:
Dr. Scott M. Huse, B.S., M.S., M.R.E., Th.D., Ph.D., who holds graduate degrees in computer science, geology and theology, wrote a book about creation/evolution back in the early 1980s, “The Collapse of Evolution.” Huse has done extensive study on these questions of random probability. I had the privilege of interviewing him about it for Dr. D. James Kennedy’s television special, “The Case for Creation” (1988). It was a type of Scopes Trial in reverse – filmed on location in Tennessee, in the very courtroom where the 1925 monkey trial took place.

Later, Huse created a computer program to determine the odds of a monkey typing the word “evolution.” He notes that the odds are one in 5.4 trillion, which statistically is the same thing as zero. Any casino that offered such horrible odds would lose customers quickly, because no one would ever win. Forgive my bluntness, but the suckers have to win something before they start losing big.

Here’s what Scott told me in an email: “The typical personal computer keyboard has 104 keys, most of which are not letters from the alphabet. However, if we ignore that fact and say the monkey can only hit keys that are letters of the alphabet, he has a one in 26 chance of hitting the correct letter each time.

“Of course, he has to hit them in the correct sequence as well: E then V then O, etc. Twenty-six to the power of nine (the number of letters in the word “evolution”) equals 5,429,503,678,976.

“So, the odds of him accidentally typing just the nine-letter word ‘evolution’ are about one in about 5.4 trillion. … From a purely mathematical standpoint, the bewildering complexity of even the most basic organic molecules [which are much more complicated than a nine-letter word] completely rules out the possibility of life originating by mere chance.”

Take just one aspect of life – amino acids and protein cells. Dr. Stephen Meyer earned his Ph.D. in the philosophy of science at Cambridge University. In his New York Times bestselling book, “Darwin’s Doubt” (2013), Meyer points out that “the probability of attaining a correct sequence [of amino acids to build a protein molecule] by random search would roughly equal the probability of a blind spaceman finding a single marked atom by chance among all the atoms in the Milky Way galaxy – on its face clearly not a likely outcome” (Page 183).

And this is just one aspect of life, the most basic building block.

In the interview I did with Scott Huse long ago, he noted: “The probability of life originating through mere random processes, as evolutionists contend, really honestly, is about zero. … If you consider probability statistics, it exposes the naiveté and the foolishness, really, of the evolutionary viewpoint.”

Dr. Charles Thaxton was another guest on that classic television special from 1988. He is a scientist who notes that life is so complex, the chances of it arising by mere chance is virtually impossible. Thaxton, now with the Discovery Institute, has a Ph.D. in physical chemistry, and a post-doctorate degree in molecular biology and a Harvard post-doctorate in the history and philosophy of science.

Thaxton notes: “I’d say in my years of study, the amazing thing is the utter complexity of living things. … Most scientists would readily grant that however life happened, it did not happen by chance.”

The whole creation points to the Creator. Huse sums up the whole point: “Simply put, a watch has a watchmaker and we have a Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Media wishing to interview Jerry Newcombe, please contact media@wnd.com.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/the-odds-of-evolution-are-zero/#tHjHP5jLLACxDa6i.99


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Re: The Odds of Evolution Are Zero.
Reply #308 - Oct 23rd, 2017 at 10:45pm
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No, it's not up to me to convince you, false perception.
  


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Reply #309 - Oct 24th, 2017 at 12:13am
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Running Deer wrote on Oct 23rd, 2017 at 7:40pm:
We don't know where the Big Bang came from, or if it even makes sense to say that it came from anything at all.  Because natural laws were created at the same time as the universe, it may be impossible to figure out the answer.

That said, there is absolutely zero evidence that a literal reading of Genesis is correct and mountains of evidence that it is not.  This is only a problem to Christians who are silly enough to interpret a 3000-year old epic poem as the literal history of the universe.  Most Christians no longer do, and it's not clear if most Christians ever did.


It's not even clear if most christians ever were Christians or only pretended to, not to be the victims of their neighbors. It's almost certain that a great many of the intellectual ones used Christianity as a means  to acquire power and most likely didn't believe in it themselves.

It's hard to argue that an intelligent person would use something as a self promoting tool if that same person believed that that tool represented the truth.
  

Non sequitur:

The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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