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Reply #330 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 6:14pm
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Closer to the topic of the odds of evolution....

I'm sure this falls on deaf ears, but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcfLZSL7YGw
  
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Reply #331 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:28pm
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atreyu wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 6:14pm:
Closer to the topic of the odds of evolution....

I'm sure this falls on deaf ears, but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcfLZSL7YGw

It still does not answer how all of this came into being.
  


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Reply #332 - Apr 11th, 2018 at 11:21pm
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Limey. wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
Are you deliberately stupid?


The beginning of life is absolutely NOT a question that evolutionary scientists ever even begin to answer.


Why do you mix these two discrete concepts up? Is it because you are as thick as, or thicker than, pigshit, or is it because you can’t answer evolution from your tattered nd shabby religious position so you try to obfuscate?

Or don’t you even know?


Darwin didn't, but I think some do.  I recall reading about random hookups of amino acids that randomly hooked up to form proteins that randomly hooked up ....... and today we have all this diverse life, all coming from those early random hookups.  I remember some of that from a 10th grade biology class, even.  And that would have been in the mid 1960's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

didn't read all of it, but here's a link.

And maybe darwin did.  Quote from the article:
The idea of evolution by natural selection proposed by Charles Darwin put an end to these metaphysical theologies. In a letter to Joseph Dalton Hooker on 1 February 1871,[94] Darwin discussed the suggestion that the original spark of life may have begun in a "warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, light, heat, electricity, &c., present, that a proteine compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes." He went on to explain that "at the present day such matter would be instantly devoured or absorbed, which would not have been the case before living creatures were formed." He had written to Hooker in 1863 stating that, "It is mere rubbish, thinking at present of the origin of life; one might as well think of the origin of matter." In On the Origin of Species, he had referred to life having been "created", by which he "really meant 'appeared' by some wholly unknown process", but had soon regretted using the Old Testament term "creation".[95]

Edited to add: Next time I eat out, I think I'll ask if the chef can whip up some "primordial soup" for me.  I think it would be very nutritious, albeit probably foul tasting.
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Reply #333 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 7:22am
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Seawolf wrote on Jun 15th, 2017 at 6:56am:
Dr. Scott M. Huse, B.S., M.S., M.R.E., Th.D., Ph.D., who holds graduate degrees in computer science, geology and theology, wrote a book about creation/evolution back in the early 1980s, “The Collapse of Evolution.” Huse has done extensive study on these questions of random probability. I had the privilege of interviewing him about it for Dr. D. James Kennedy’s television special, “The Case for Creation” (1988). It was a type of Scopes Trial in reverse – filmed on location in Tennessee, in the very courtroom where the 1925 monkey trial took place.

Later, Huse created a computer program to determine the odds of a monkey typing the word “evolution.” He notes that the odds are one in 5.4 trillion, which statistically is the same thing as zero. Any casino that offered such horrible odds would lose customers quickly, because no one would ever win. Forgive my bluntness, but the suckers have to win something before they start losing big.

Here’s what Scott told me in an email: “The typical personal computer keyboard has 104 keys, most of which are not letters from the alphabet. However, if we ignore that fact and say the monkey can only hit keys that are letters of the alphabet, he has a one in 26 chance of hitting the correct letter each time.

“Of course, he has to hit them in the correct sequence as well: E then V then O, etc. Twenty-six to the power of nine (the number of letters in the word “evolution”) equals 5,429,503,678,976.

“So, the odds of him accidentally typing just the nine-letter word ‘evolution’ are about one in about 5.4 trillion. … From a purely mathematical standpoint, the bewildering complexity of even the most basic organic molecules [which are much more complicated than a nine-letter word] completely rules out the possibility of life originating by mere chance.”

Take just one aspect of life – amino acids and protein cells. Dr. Stephen Meyer earned his Ph.D. in the philosophy of science at Cambridge University. In his New York Times bestselling book, “Darwin’s Doubt” (2013), Meyer points out that “the probability of attaining a correct sequence [of amino acids to build a protein molecule] by random search would roughly equal the probability of a blind spaceman finding a single marked atom by chance among all the atoms in the Milky Way galaxy – on its face clearly not a likely outcome” (Page 183).

And this is just one aspect of life, the most basic building block.

In the interview I did with Scott Huse long ago, he noted: “The probability of life originating through mere random processes, as evolutionists contend, really honestly, is about zero. … If you consider probability statistics, it exposes the naiveté and the foolishness, really, of the evolutionary viewpoint.”

Dr. Charles Thaxton was another guest on that classic television special from 1988. He is a scientist who notes that life is so complex, the chances of it arising by mere chance is virtually impossible. Thaxton, now with the Discovery Institute, has a Ph.D. in physical chemistry, and a post-doctorate degree in molecular biology and a Harvard post-doctorate in the history and philosophy of science.

Thaxton notes: “I’d say in my years of study, the amazing thing is the utter complexity of living things. … Most scientists would readily grant that however life happened, it did not happen by chance.”

The whole creation points to the Creator. Huse sums up the whole point: “Simply put, a watch has a watchmaker and we have a Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Media wishing to interview Jerry Newcombe, please contact media@wnd.com.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/the-odds-of-evolution-are-zero/#tHjHP5jLLACxDa6i.99




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What about 'Natural selection'?
  

All throughout our American history, world history, "ordinary people can do extraordinary things"


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Reply #334 - Apr 13th, 2018 at 10:08am
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Luther wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 at 7:22am:
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What about 'Natural selection'?

What about it?
  


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Reply #335 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 7:58am
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Seawolf wrote on Apr 11th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
It still does not answer how all of this came into being.


[polite] You’re confused about what evolution is.


Despite having every opportunity to find out, you never read anything except what supports the frankly crazy notion that the Earth is a few kiloyears old. You believe that, for His own reasons which we can’t ever understand, God is effectively playing a trick on us in which He gives false evidence of processes which never happened.

Time and again you fail to grasp that “evolution “ is different from “origin of life”.


I honestly can’t think how anybody could wriggle in to such a silly position and then act all smug about it.

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Reply #336 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 8:21pm
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EF wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 12:50pm:
I will not put words in Seawolf's mouth, but I don't think he believes that.  I have had a discussion on this subject with other young earthers (and I can assure everybody they are not stupid people)


regrettably, that’s a bit of a stretch. If they say:

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.....they universally believe is that old earthers have misunderstood the physical evidence.  They believe that the physical evidence is consistent with a young earth creation.  They do NOT believe that God created the earth to make it appear older than it is.


.... that’s exactly equivalent to saying that large bodies of settled, humdrum science are either utterly wrong, or only apply when God isn’t putting His thumb on the scale.


If we know, say, the rate at which liquid sediments become rock, in order to ‘misunderstand the physical evidence’ then EVERY study ever done on that one topic is wildly wrong, and yet consistently wrong.

It means that EVERY study on radioactive decay rates has always been wrong. EVERY study on erosion rates, tectonic plates-all wrong. All of them.


The notion is ludicrous unless, and only unless, one or two or all of three situations are true.

1. Science is mostly wrong

2. Scientists-across time and nation- have conspired.

3. God is moving the cards.

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....Their goal is "normalize" the belief that the earth is only 6,000 or 10,000 years old so that people who DO believe that can feel comfortable asserting that. 


That’s an affront to anybody with a shred of honesty.
  

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Reply #337 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 9:47pm
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Limey. wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 8:21pm:
regrettably, that’s a bit of a stretch. If they say:


.... that’s exactly equivalent to saying that large bodies of settled, humdrum science are either utterly wrong, or only apply when God isn’t putting His thumb on the scale.


If we know, say, the rate at which liquid sediments become rock, in order to ‘misunderstand the physical evidence’ then EVERY study ever done on that one topic is wildly wrong, and yet consistently wrong.

It means that EVERY study on radioactive decay rates has always been wrong. EVERY study on erosion rates, tectonic plates-all wrong. All of them.


The notion is ludicrous unless, and only unless, one or two or all of three situations are true.

1. Science is mostly wrong

2. Scientists-across time and nation- have conspired.

3. God is moving the cards.


That’s an affront to anybody with a shred of honesty.


I don't feel as strongly as you do regarding young earthers, but I do leave them completely alone for the most part.  I occasionally will have very short discourse with them, but mostly I avoid it like the bubonic plague.
  

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Reply #338 - Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:51pm
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EF wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
I don't feel as strongly as you do regarding young earthers, but I do leave them completely alone for the most part.  I occasionally will have very short discourse with them, but mostly I avoid it like the bubonic plague.



Would you allow a 8 year old child to go on believing in Santa Claus?..  a 10 year old??..  12??..

Are you doing the 12 year old any favors by allowing her to live a lie?..

I'm not suggesting that each and every old Earth denier be confronted individually but that their nonsense be ommited from any serious science discussion either in the classroom or on the floor of a legislating body..


  
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Reply #339 - Apr 18th, 2018 at 9:54am
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Semi-Omnipotent wrote on Apr 17th, 2018 at 10:51pm:
Would you allow a 8 year old child to go on believing in Santa Claus?..  a 10 year old??..  12??..

Are you doing the 12 year old any favors by allowing her to live a lie?..

I'm not suggesting that each and every old Earth denier be confronted individually but that their nonsense be ommited from any serious science discussion either in the classroom or on the floor of a legislating body..





Precisely.


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