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The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
Jul 2nd, 2017 at 4:29pm
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Hi, new to the forum! Any thoughts on this article? Figured some of you might enjoy it and could offer some thoughts on it.

https://grandstandnews.com/2017/06/30/the-christian-split-why-believers-are-torn...
  
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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2017 at 6:54am
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Grandstand_News wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 4:29pm:
Hi, new to the forum! Any thoughts on this article? Figured some of you might enjoy it and could offer some thoughts on it.

https://grandstandnews.com/2017/06/30/the-christian-split-why-believers-are-torn...


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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2017 at 10:54am
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Donald Trump is a shameless, unrepentant unbeliever.  You don't have to take my word for it. You don't have to read into his heart.  He openly stated that he doesn't have any thing to repent or confess about. No Christian would say such a thing.
That being said, most Christians I know (and yes there are a few exceptions) said they simply vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
Trump is not openly hostile to Christianity as the Demarxist candidates are. He is not anti-American, or anti-freedom, nor does he embrace Socialism as the Demarxist party now does.
  

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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
Reply #3 - Jul 8th, 2017 at 4:49pm
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How is socialism (the economic system, not the authoritarian / totalitarian Government bearing that name) in conflict with the teaching of Jesus?



Lol my new phone autocompletes "Jes" as "Jessica"!
  

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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
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Limey wrote on Jul 8th, 2017 at 4:49pm:
How is socialism (the economic system, not the authoritarian / totalitarian Government bearing that name) in conflict with the teaching of Jesus?


You can't separate the autocratic totalitarian state from Socialism. It is central to it's doctrine..

  

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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jul 8th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
You can't separate the autocratic totalitarian state from Socialism. It is central to it's doctrine..




Similarly with any economic system imposed, whether formally or not.


The general thrust of socialist thought is "everyone does a fair share of the work, everyone gets a fair share of the results".


I am far from a Biblical scholar but I'm struggling to think of any evidence that the above is morally wrong. And, apparently,  morals come from God.
  

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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
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Via His son, who Mr. Sony thinks is called Jessica.

At least I am not the least Biblically knowledgeable person on Earth.
  

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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
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Limey wrote on Jul 8th, 2017 at 6:37pm:
Similarly with any economic system imposed, whether formally or not.


The general thrust of socialist thought is "everyone does a fair share of the work, everyone gets a fair share of the results".


I am far from a Biblical scholar but I'm struggling to think of any evidence that the above is morally wrong. And, apparently,  morals come from God.


The above is not socialism...Socialist doctrine teaches that the state must control the means of production. It claims to theoretically spread the wealth fairly and equally to all. In reality it punishes risk takers, entrepreneurs, or those that work harder than others. It is basically a return to Monarchy and has always evolved into such. That why the Soviet Union gave up on it, it was unsustainable and produced a very unproductive region. That's why China has moved further away from it's core doctrines.  And that's why N. Korea is still such a miserable place.
The biblical worldview on the other hand teaches hard work, careful and wise use of money, planning for the future, and all the values that made the nations that are led by them more prosperous. 
  

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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
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fair-minded know it all wrote on Jul 8th, 2017 at 7:00pm:
The above is not socialism...Socialist doctrine teaches that the state must control the means of production.





Yes, in order to allocate rôle and rewards,  as I said.

You just said that what I said isn't what I said, whilst agreeing with what I said.

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It claims to theoretically spread the wealth fairly and equally to all. In reality it punishes risk takers, entrepreneurs, or those that work harder than others


No it doesn't punish risk takers, or entrepreneurs.

Those who work harder than others may or may not receive greater compensation ; in the theoretical socialist society,  not everything is measured in coin.

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It is basically a return to Monarchy

Well, for a religious person to sneer at monarchy is hilarious.

Anyway,  wrong again.

Monarchy - a sole ruler, literal translation -
is incompatible with socialism.

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and has always evolved into such. That why the Soviet Union gave up on it, it was unsustainable and produced a very unproductive region.



Regrettable but true.  For myriad reasons, large amongst them the same human failings which disfigure capitalist society and of course external hostility,  'socialist' countries tend to veer off course.

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That's why China has moved further away from it's core doctrines.  And that's why N. Korea is still such a miserable place.


Yeah, they have both kept the Old Testament style of unaccountable government and both see great inequality and abuses of basic human decency.

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The biblical worldview on the other hand teaches hard work, careful and wise use of money, planning for the future, and all the values that made the nations that are led by them more prosperous. 



...none of that is incompatible with socialism.

Try again.
  

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Re: The Christian Split: Why Believers Are Torn Between Trump’s Words and His Actions
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Limey wrote on Jul 8th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
Try again.


Nah! The socialist mind needs more help than I can offer.
  

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