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Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:36am
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Is meeting with a foreign national the same as colluding with them?  Do all politicians who meet with foreigners commit collusion?  If not, where is the line drawn?  Does it include all foreigners or just those with whom we are not officially at war or just those with whom we are officially warring?  Does collusion happen only with those American politicians with whom we don't agreemeeting with foreign nationals?
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:38am
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crepe05 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:36am:
Is meeting with a foreign national the same as colluding with them?  Do all politicians who meet with foreigners commit collusion?  If not, where is the line drawn?  Does it include all foreigners or just those with whom we are not officially at war or just those with whom we are officially warring?  Does collusion happen only with those American politicians with whom we don't agreemeeting with foreign nationals?

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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:44am
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This question would be relevant if we didn't already have a long list [Which is growing by the week] of various Trumper campaign affiliates that were constantly coordinating with various Russians officials before Trump was even sworn in. Definitely more than just a case of "meeting" with them as if they just wanted to chit chat about the 2016 Olympic results or something frivolous.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:58am
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Phillip 2.0 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:44am:
This question would be relevant if we didn't already have a long list [Which is growing by the week] of various Trumper campaign affiliates that were constantly coordinating with various Russians officials before Trump was even sworn in. Definitely more than just a case of "meeting" with them as if they just wanted to chit chat about the 2016 Olympic results or something frivolous.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I'd love to see that long list.  DJT, jr, took three people with him.  Is that the list you're talking about?

No, he didn't want to chit-chat about the Olympics.  He was told he would get info against hil's during the campaign.   DJT should not have met with the man, and he has said so. 

hil's husband, the former POTUS, was the one who met with the then Attoney General lynch in a meeting which occurred with no one else present to talk about their grandchildren.  Yeah, that's what they talked.  We all delay our flights to meet with someone and talk about grandkids.  And the press said , "Okey dokey.  Sounds right to me.  Move along all of you right wing Clinton haters, move along.  They didn't talk about the hrc investigation, whoops, excuse me, the Clinton 'matter'".  It's not an investigation, it's a "matter" cuz it involves a Clinton.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:08am
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Here's a long timeline so far and that's only about information we knew of through March 2017. It has grown since then. I'm sure they are just coincidences.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/trump-russia-timeline/index.html


  
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:25am
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Phillip 2.0 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 6:08am:
Here's a long timeline so far and that's only about information we knew of through March 2017. It has grown since then. I'm sure they are just coincidences.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/trump-russia-timeline/index.html




Which is more damaging?  Having a meeting with the Russians with your advisors or taking millions of dollars from them for your own "foundation"?  The Clintons have received millions from the Russians.  Honestly, purity doesn't not wear well on the Clintons.

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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 11:44am
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crepe05 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:58am:
hil's husband, the former POTUS, was the one who met with the then Attoney General lynch in a meeting which occurred with no one else present to talk about their grandchildren.  Yeah, that's what they talked.  We all delay our flights to meet with someone and talk about grandkids.  And the press said , "Okey dokey.  Sounds right to me.  Move along all of you right wing Clinton haters, move along.  They didn't talk about the hrc investigation, whoops, excuse me, the Clinton 'matter'".  It's not an investigation, it's a "matter" cuz it involves a Clinton.


Clinton's shenanigans (and those of her husband) cost her the presidency.  Maybe it's time for Trump to pay the same price.
  

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crepe05 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 5:36am:
Is meeting with a foreign national the same as colluding with them?  Do all politicians who meet with foreigners commit collusion?  If not, where is the line drawn?  Does it include all foreigners or just those with whom we are not officially at war or just those with whom we are officially warring?  Does collusion happen only with those American politicians with whom we don't agreemeeting with foreign nationals?

To meet with a foreign agency to get dirt on an opposing candidate appears to be collusion to me.  What do you think.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:01pm
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Federal Election Law:

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Effective Date

§30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-


(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or



(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

(b) "Foreign national" defined
As used in this section, the term "foreign national" means-

(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term "foreign national" shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or

(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.


http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title52-section30121...

You can meet with as many foreign nationals as you want, but, if you take anything of value from them for use in an election... that's your ass....

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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:16pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 1:01pm:
Federal Election Law:


http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title52-section30121...

You can meet with as many foreign nationals as you want, but, if you take anything of value from them for use in an election... that's your ass....

Greg


Good thing Trump Jr. didn't do that.
  
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