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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #90 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 2:46pm
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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #91 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:03pm
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Genesee wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
Then what's all the fuss about?

It is about idiots who believe that PP abortions are federally funded and the idiots in congress who want to defund PP.  Read the thread before you respond.  You might learn something.
  

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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #92 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:05pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:03pm:
It is about idiots who believe that PP abortions are federally funded and the idiots in congress who want to defund PP.  Read the thread before you respond.  You might learn something.


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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #93 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:07pm
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Genesee wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
There's nothing to defund?

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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #94 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:09pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:07pm:
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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #95 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 4:16pm
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Genesee wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
Derp! Please explain how, and why, the economic status of an individual excludes themselves from personal, sexual obligations?

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Who said it was? Is poor parenting being argued here? No? Get back on topic. I'm not chasing your tail.


Do you know how much money is spent on poor mothers getting pregnant 8 times and collecting tax dollars instead of paying it? 

Genesee wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 2:19pm:
How is that off topic? Its about getting pregnant.

You went off topic talking about economic status of an individual. What does that have to do with teen abortion? Im talking about preventing teens from getting pregnant, causing abortion to be an option and how it is handled poorly.
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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #96 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 4:36pm
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Genesee wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 3:09pm:
Sure I did. You were objecting to something I posted?

So you did not even read the title of this thread.
  

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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #97 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 4:53pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 10:04am:
Just because you say it does, does not mean it is true.  Do you have proof to back up your accusations?
 


It's simple arithmetic.  Here's a hypothetical example:  A PP abortion mill spends, let's say $500,000 a year on abortion, and $500,000 on medical services.  (Abortion is an execution, not a medical service.)  The federal government grants them another $100,000 a year, for medical services only.  PP allocates that $100,000 nominally for medical services, and keeps a record of what they spent it on, and at the end of the year it adds up to $100,000.  But that decreased the amount of money they had to previously pay on medical services using funds from other sources to $400,000.  So they take THAT $100,000, and divide it $50,000 for extra abortion funding, and $50,000 for extra medial services.  The result is $550,000 spent on each of abortion and medical services, but that's only because of a bookkeeping maneuver made possible by the federal grant, even though they have a record of what they nominally spent the government money on.   Since you're probably too stupid to grasp it, I'll explicitly point out that it doesn't matter what the actual numbers are - the principle is that money granted by the government for medical services will simply displace money already used for that purpose to be redirected to abortion.  This, as I've already pointed out, doesn't take into account the huge amount PP spends on advocacy and supporting pro-abortion political candidates, all of which increases abortions in the long run.  The upshot is that the only way to REALLY keep tax dollars from being used to execute or promote abortion is to keep them out of the hands of abortionists.

Get it?  It can't be drawn any simpler for you.


  
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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #98 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 5:56pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 4:53pm:
It's simple arithmetic.  Here's a hypothetical example:  A PP abortion mill spends, let's say $500,000 a year on abortion, and $500,000 on medical services.  (Abortion is an execution, not a medical service.)  The federal government grants them another $100,000 a year, for medical services only.  PP allocates that $100,000 nominally for medical services, and keeps a record of what they spent it on, and at the end of the year it adds up to $100,000.  But that decreased the amount of money they had to previously pay on medical services using funds from other sources to $400,000.  So they take THAT $100,000, and divide it $50,000 for extra abortion funding, and $50,000 for extra medial services.  The result is $550,000 spent on each of abortion and medical services, but that's only because of a bookkeeping maneuver made possible by the federal grant, even though they have a record of what they nominally spent the government money on.   Since you're probably too stupid to grasp it, I'll explicitly point out that it doesn't matter what the actual numbers are - the principle is that money granted by the government for medical services will simply displace money already used for that purpose to be redirected to abortion.  This, as I've already pointed out, doesn't take into account the huge amount PP spends on advocacy and supporting pro-abortion political candidates, all of which increases abortions in the long run.  The upshot is that the only way to REALLY keep tax dollars from being used to execute or promote abortion is to keep them out of the hands of abortionists.

Get it?  It can't be drawn any simpler for you.



That is not how it works sunny boy.  The funding is through Medicaid.  If it is not a medical procedure, then the government will not pay for it.

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Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning." Medicaid funding is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only abortion cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother. Some states use their own funds under Medicaid to go beyond that. Seventeen states and, until recently, the District of Columbia pay for "medically necessary" abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The federal budget deal now bans Washington, D.C., from using its funds to pay for abortions.

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Re: Teen Abortions Surged In Texas After Republicans Defunded Planned Parenthood
Reply #99 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:10pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 5:56pm:
That is not how it works sunny boy.  The funding is through Medicaid.  If it is not a medical procedure, then the government will not pay for it.


http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/


You still aren't getting it.

The government providing the funding for that service means that PP is free spend other funding elsewhere.
  

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