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Jul 12th, 2017 at 3:33pm
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What were Jesus's views on the accumulation of wealth? I'm not talking about the Bible in general, but Jesus himself.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 13th, 2017 at 11:34am
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Muckster wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 3:33pm:
What were Jesus's views on the accumulation of wealth? I'm not talking about the Bible in general, but Jesus himself.


Certainly not a Christian theologian of the calibre (nod to Limey) of a Jasmine, but I have done some "reading and meditating" over my nearly 7 decades on this terrestrial ball.  In a nutshell, I believe Jesus's view on wealth accumulation can be kind of summed up in this: "the love of money is the root of all evil" and "God loves a cheerful giver."

Sometimes the former is taken to mean that money is the root of all evil, but that is not what it says.  It says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil.  If one's wealth is one's god, then that is contrary to His teaching. 

And I don't believe Jesus expects those who are successful to live like those who are not, but I do believe He rewards generosity.

The Book of Books also says that one knows a Christian from his works.  Not that they are SAVED by those works, but that their heart is reflected in their works.  By that standard, there are many who claim His name who know Him not.  I think one is serving as president, but don't come back at me with that "judge not that you be not judged."  I am not judging.  I am observing based on his works. Fortunately, He does the judging. 

I also don't care if a president is a Christian or not.  Presidential religious beliefs are irrelevant to me.  Certainly this one is not the first non-Christian to serve (if, indeed, he is not a Christian).  Thomas Jefferson definitely was not a Christian, and there are some doubts about John Adams. George Washington probably was, but it's not like he was a real Bible thumper.
  

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Re: Jesus on Money
Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:09pm
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So is being a "Bible thumper" imply a negative image?  David boast "Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee.

Ps 1:2. But they delight in the law of the Lord, meditating on it day and night.
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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:46pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:09pm:
So is being a "Bible thumper" imply a negative image?  David boast "Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee.

Ps 1:2. But they delight in the law of the Lord, meditating on it day and night.


No.  Just an observation.  Geo. W. definitely did not meditate on it day and night.  Or often, for that matter.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 8:01am
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EF wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 8:46pm:
No.  Just an observation.  Geo. W. definitely did not meditate on it day and night.  Or often, for that matter.

Not what I am reading in the history books, but what relevance does Washington have to our discussion?  The question is what does God desire from us, a half-hearted tempered acknowledgement of him?
  


"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #5 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:02am
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I agree with much of what elmer said...
Jesus said "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
A born again, regenerate believer has new priorities which will affect how he views reality and the future.  This will work itself out in how he spends his time and resources, money included.
We cheerfully support faithful ministers of the word, missionaries,  help the hungry, needy, take care of our family including looking out for the elderly. Being productive, hard working, useful and making money is a good thing.  Accumulating money voraciously purely for the sake of security in this life is not.
Jesus basically said that where our hope and ultimate treasure is will be shown in our life and financial decisions.
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 11:20am
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 8:01am:
Not what I am reading in the history books, but what relevance does Washington have to our discussion?  The question is what does God desire from us, a half-hearted tempered acknowledgement of him?


Got a list of these books?  If David is the standard to which you're comparing, I don't think anybody could come up to it.

But the reference to Washington was in my paragraph about caring not whether a president is a Christian or not.  Being a Christian would be an asset if all other things were equal between candidates, but they never are, and there are more important things to bring to the job of chief executive of a secular government than that.
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Reply #7 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 1:34pm
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EF wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 11:20am:
Got a list of these books?  If David is the standard to which you're comparing, I don't think anybody could come up to it.

But the reference to Washington was in my paragraph about caring not whether a president is a Christian or not.  Being a Christian would be an asset if all other things were equal between candidates, but they never are, and there are more important things to bring to the job of chief executive of a secular government than that. 

As a Christian I would disagree, there is nothing more important then a leader who submits to the One who governs all.  Just my opinion that is in scripture.
  


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Reply #8 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 1:36pm
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George Washington's Sacred Fire.  Excellent research regarding his faith.  Over 400 pages of footnotes.
  


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Reply #9 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 4:22pm
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 1:36pm:
George Washington's Sacred Fire.  Excellent research regarding his faith.  Over 400 pages of footnotes.


Written to debunk claims he was a Deist.  I already knew he was no Deist.  Does not reveal him as a man who meditated day and night (or even all that often) on the word of the Lord.

For that matter, Jefferson was not a Deist, either.
  

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