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Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:39am
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They've lost right wing icon Charles Krauthammer:

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I was puzzled. Lots of cover-up, but where was the crime? Not even a third-rate burglary. For six months, smoke without fire. Yes, President Trump himself was acting very defensively, as if he were hiding something. But no one ever produced the something.

My view was: Collusion? I just don’t see it. But I’m open to empirical evidence. Show me.

The evidence is now shown. This is not hearsay, not fake news, not unsourced leaks. This is an email chain released by Donald Trump Jr. himself. A British go-between writes that there’s a Russian government effort to help Trump Sr. win the election, and as part of that effort he proposes a meeting with a “Russian government attorney” possessing damaging information on Hillary Clinton. Moreover, the Kremlin is willing to share troves of incriminating documents from the crown prosecutor. (Error: Britain has a crown prosecutor. Russia has a state prosecutor.)

Donald Jr. emails back. “I love it.” Fatal words.

Once you’ve said “I’m in,” it makes no difference that the meeting was a bust, that the intermediary brought no such goods. What matters is what Donald Jr. thought going into the meeting, as well as Jared Kushner and then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, who were copied on the correspondence, invited to the meeting, and attended.


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I guess he's "in" now...

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Re: Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:46am
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Same reply fits here as well. Krauthammer is not an attorney.

Abe wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:43am:
Dershowitz seems to disagree.

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"That is why the entire issue of alleged collusion with, and interference by, the Russians should be investigated openly by an independent nonpartisan commission, rather than by a prosecutor behind the closed doors of a grand jury.

The end result of a secret grand jury investigation will be an up or down determination whether to indict or not to indict.  If there are no indictments, that will end the matter. The special counsel may issue a report summarizing the results of his investigation, but many experts believe that such reports are improper, since the subjects of the investigation do not have the right to present exculpatory evidence to the grand jury, which typically hears only one side of the case. Beyond any report, there will also be selective leaks, such as the many that have already occurred.  Leaks, too, tend to be one-sided and agenda driven.

A public non-partisan commission investigation, or even one conducted by partisans in Congress, would be open for the most part.  They would hear all sides of the story, and the public would be able to judge for itself whether there was improper collusion.  A commission or Congressional committee could also recommend changes in the law for the future.

The American people need to know precisely what the Russians tried to do and did – and what, if anything, the Trump campaign knew and did.  These issues go beyond a cops-and-robber whodunit. They involve the very essence of our democracy."

  
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Re: Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:52am
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Abe wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:46am:
Same reply fits here as well. Krauthammer is not an attorney.



An attorney can issue an "opinion" on any subject he wishes.  However, the only "opinion' that counts is that of a jury at the conclusion of a trial.  If Dershowitz believes no crime has been committed, he is entitled to that opinion.  IF Mueller presents evidence to a Grand Jury and gets an indictment, I'd say Dershowitz may be wrong in his "opinion".  Indeed, he is entitled to it.  We shall see....

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Re: Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:53am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:52am:
An attorney can issue an "opinion" on any subject he wishes.  However, the only "opinion' that counts is that of a jury at the conclusion of a trial.  If Dershowitz believes no crime has been committed, he is entitled to that opinion.  IF Mueller presents evidence to a Grand Jury and gets an indictment, I'd say Dershowitz may be wrong in his "opinion".  Indeed, he is entitled to it.  We shall see....

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Re: Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:57am
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It just cracks me up that Trump Jr's defense is that the "Russian government lawyer" didn't deliver on what was promised.  Is this supposed to make us feel confident in the Trump administration?  They'd never engage in illegal corruption (unless it works)?
  

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Reply #5 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:58am
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Abe wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:53am:
First one has to get to a trial stage, so we shall see...indeed!


No no, one has to get to the investigation stage.  Indictment and trial come later.  No use jumping the gun.

But WAIT, this is for Stuey:

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This defense is pathetic for two reasons. First, have the Trumpites not been telling us for six months that no collusion ever happened? And now they say: Sure it happened. So what? Everyone does it.

What’s left of your credibility when you make such a casual about-face?

Second, no, not everyone does it. It’s one thing to be open to opposition research dug up in Indiana. But not dirt from Russia, a hostile foreign power that has repeatedly invaded its neighbors (Georgia, Crimea, Eastern Ukraine), that buzzes our planes and ships in international waters, that opposes our every move and objective around the globe. Just last week the Kremlin killed additional U.N. sanctions we were looking to impose on North Korea for its ICBM test.


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Re: Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Reply #6 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:29pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 11:58am:
No no, one has to get to the investigation stage.  Indictment and trial come later.  No use jumping the gun.

But WAIT, this is for Stuey:


Greg


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Greggy, .. BOTH democrats and republicans ENGAGE in opposition research, and that is all it was about, except the fact that the Russian lawyer had NOTHING to give that was useful, and even if it was 'useful', .. it is not illegal.

Your Hillary and Bill HAVE more evidence of engaging in Russian Collusion, if not even TREASON ..

Especially when the Clinton's gave the Chi-Coms ACCESS to American technology that enabled the Chi-Coms to improve their missile guidance technology, ALL in RETURN for Clinton campaign cash!  Cheesy

Your FILTHY liberal news media SHOULD have followed that FACT instead of inventing fake news stories just to destroy Trump's Presidency.   Sad
  

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Re: Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Reply #7 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:38pm
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stu_gatze wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 12:29pm:
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Greggy, .. BOTH democrats and republicans ENGAGE in opposition research, and that is all it was about, except the fact that the Russian lawyer had NOTHING to give that was useful, and even if it was 'useful', .. it is not illegal.

Your Hillary and Bill HAVE more evidence of engaging in Russian Collusion, if not even TREASON ..

Especially when the Clinton's gave the Chi-Coms ACCESS to American technology that enabled the Chi-Coms to improve their missile guidance technology, ALL in RETURN for Clinton campaign cash!  Cheesy

Your FILTHY liberal news media SHOULD have followed that FACT instead of inventing fake news stories just to destroy Trump's Presidency.   Sad


Ahem.... Stuey... for you again...

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This defense is pathetic for two reasons. First, have the Trumpites not been telling us for six months that no collusion ever happened? And now they say: Sure it happened. So what? Everyone does it.


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Re: Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Reply #8 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:33pm
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Krauthammer is a tool. There is no such thing as bungled collusion. He's talking about conspiracy but he doesn't have the balls to say it.
  
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Re: Bungled collusion is still collusion: Charles Krauthammer
Reply #9 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:37pm
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michiganFats wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:33pm:
There is no such thing as bungled collusion.



Yea.. Once Trump Jr accepted..that was Krauthammer's point ..
  
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