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Noonan: Unpatriotic to let another nation take active role in campaign
Jul 14th, 2017 at 2:05pm
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Unpatriotic to let another nation take an active role in a campaign for the U.S. presidency

Peggy Noonan

Donald Trump Jr. ’s adventure with sketchy characters claiming to represent Russia made me think of a quote from a deadly old 19th-century European diplomat. It’s no trick to fool a man who thinks himself clever, he said, but a plain, honest man—that can be a challenge.

One of the things campaigns always have to watch out for is bumptious oafs who think themselves sophisticated.

The White House defense of the Trump Jr. meeting is essentially a question: Who wouldn’t take a meeting with someone who has negative information on your political opponent?

But that’s not the question. This someone was purportedly representing a foreign government. And that government was an adversary of the U.S.

Who wouldn’t take that meeting? Anyone with a brain and a gut. Anyone who didn’t think “House of Cards” is a moral template for modern political behavior.

Former opposition researchers are angry. I asked one, who worked in George H.W. Bush’s 1988 campaign: Suppose a representative of a foreign state, or a person claiming ties to that state, contacted you and said: “We have some dirt on your opponent.” What would your reaction have been?

“Immediately we would have walked away,” he said.

What if the foreign government was an adversary of the U.S.? “Hell no. You don’t go there.”

He recalled there was chatter in 1988 that the Stasi, East Germany’s domestic spy agency, had dirt on the Democratic presidential nominee. The Bush campaign rejected any possible contact out of hand. “There’s such a thing as self-discipline,” he said.

It is wrong to let another nation take an active role in a campaign for the U.S. presidency. It is imprudent, and also rather unpatriotic. It’s not their government, it’s ours. It can be assumed that we will attempt to look out for America’s interests, and they will not.

What should Donald Trump Jr. have done when the music promoter urged him to meet with the representative of the Russian government who had secret, big-league, deep, dark info on Hillary Clinton ?

As Sen. Lindsey Graham told President Trump’s FBI nominee: “If you get a call from somebody suggesting that a foreign government wants to help you by disparaging your opponent, tell us all to call the FBI.”

I add: And send word of the contact to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, with the information that you have not and will not respond. Because that would have helped our political civilization.


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https://www.wsj.com/articles/victory-sacrifice-and-questions-of-collusion-149998...
  

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Re: Noonan: Unpatriotic to let another nation take active role in campaign
Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 2:11pm
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I don't think anyone is arguing that the optics of what Jr did was good let alone saying that it was proper.

The question to be asked, is did he commit a crime? That remains to be determined. Trump and Co. are not known for having the best judgment.

Hopefully Noonan will sleep better tonight.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:18pm
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Abe wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
I don't think anyone is arguing that the optics of what Jr did was good let alone saying that it was proper.

Trump said anyone would have taken that meeting, implying (to him at least) it was indeed proper.

To wit:
Trump on Don Jr: 'Anyone would have taken that meeting'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/13/trump-don-jr-anyone-would-have-taken-...


So the President seems to think it was no big deal, indeed, taking that meeting would be a no brainer for anyone in a similar position.

Again, Trump and his team make it so very hard to carry on defending them when every time they open their mouth in any way it just A) incriminates them further or B) makes them look like total morons. Or both.
  

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Didn't he say it was about adoption?

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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
Didn't he say it was about adoption?

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Trump Jr lied at least twice about the meeting before the details came out.
  

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Vypr wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:26pm:
Trump Jr lied at least twice about the meeting before the details came out.


You mean the details that show him not colluding?
  
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michiganFats wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
You mean the details that show him not colluding?


But... but... You said the meeting was about adoption...

Were you... misinformed?

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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
But... but... You said the meeting was about adoption...

Were you... misinformed?

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No, I wasn't.
  
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michiganFats wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:28pm:
You mean the details that show him not colluding?



We have no such details.
  
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Re: Noonan: Unpatriotic to let another nation take active role in campaign
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Fiddler wrote on Jul 14th, 2017 at 3:33pm:
We have no such details.


Sure we do. He had a meeting. No proof at all he got the dirt on Hillary. The burden of proof is on those making the accusation, or is this not America anymore?
  
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