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OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:08am
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Collusion

An agreement between two or more people to defraud a person of his or her rights or to obtain something that is prohibited by law.

A secret arrangement wherein two or more people whose legal interests seemingly conflict conspire to commit Fraud upon another person; a pact between two people to deceive a court with the purpose of obtaining something that they would not be able to get through legitimate judicial channels.


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On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best

Rob Goldstone

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On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:53, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
Best,

Don






You wanted to see it, the lies that preceded it, you got it.  If anything, all of this absolutely justifies a Special Counsel investigation into Trump and associates.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Greg
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
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And the rest of the story is that they had the meeting which lasted 20 minutes, there were more than the two of them in the meeting, and that was the end of that.  Now, is it colluding if people meet to get negative information on an opponent?  If so, how is it illegal?  Is it that Russia was the entity that was supposedly supplying the information?  Is that illegal?  Is it unethical?  Honestly, I don't know.  From what I can glean, it's that they met with a foreign national?  Is that the problem?  Is it that it was Russia, with whom the Clintons certainly have had relations with by accepting millions of dollars from them for the Clinton Foundation.  Would it have been acceptable if the info had come from Great Britain?

All people will say is that there was a meeting/collusion.  Is it always collusion when negative info is expected to be received?  What's the difference between collusion and a meeting?
  
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
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crepe05 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:20am:
And the rest of the story is that they had the meeting which lasted 20 minutes, there were more than the two of them in the meeting, and that was the end of that.  Now, is it colluding if people meet to get negative information on an opponent?  If so, how is it illegal?  Is it that Russia was the entity that was supposedly supplying the information?  Is that illegal?  Is it unethical?  Honestly, I don't know.  From what I can glean, it's that they met with a foreign national?  Is that the problem?  Is it that it was Russia, with whom the Clintons certainly have had relations with by accepting millions of dollars from them for the Clinton Foundation.  Would it have been acceptable if the info had come from Great Britain?

All people will say is that there was a meeting/collusion.  Is it always collusion when negative info is expected to be received?  What's the difference between collusion and a meeting?


Meeting:  "We are gathered here today to discuss a new color for the church steeple."

Collusion:  "We are gathered here today to discuss how we can move 20 kilos of cocaine through the port of Long Beach and not get caught."

Would you be a bit more up in arms if they had met with people from Iran?

Greg
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
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Trumpers Greg, have been indoctrinated with "Fake News"

So, even when Trump gets caught screwing up, he always has an scapegoat to lean on.
  

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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:21am:
Meeting:  "We are gathered here today to discuss a new color for the church steeple."

Collusion:  "We are gathered here today to discuss how we can move 20 kilos of cocaine through the port of Long Beach and not get caught."

Would you be a bit more up in arms if they had met with people from Iran?

Greg


Yesterday you said it wasn't collusion when I point out that Dershowitz even said it was far-fetched along with other legal scholars.

You then deflected by saying he lied on his clearance form or whatever it's called, so it was a criminal offense for not reporting it.

Now you're back to collusion which is still a stretch to prove.

You need to be consistent.
  
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:21am:
Meeting:  "We are gathered here today to discuss a new color for the church steeple."

Collusion:  "We are gathered here today to discuss how we can move 20 kilos of cocaine through the port of Long Beach and not get caught."

Would you be a bit more up in arms if they had met with people from Iran?

Greg


Aw, c'mon.  Get real, if you can.  Is it the same people at the same meeting representing the church and the cocaine dealers?  Are the coke dealers known as coke dealers or do they also deal in church steeples?  I assume the coke dealers are dems and the church steeple dealers are reps and the steeple representatives go into the meeting expecting only church steeple dealers.  They leave within twenty minutes when they find out the reality.

Again, I'm asking questions you probably don't like and will ignore. 
  
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
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crepe05 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:20am:
And the rest of the story is that they had the meeting which lasted 20 minutes, there were more than the two of them in the meeting, and that was the end of that.  Now, is it colluding if people meet to get negative information on an opponent?  If so, how is it illegal?  Is it that Russia was the entity that was supposedly supplying the information?  Is that illegal?  Is it unethical?  Honestly, I don't know.  From what I can glean, it's that they met with a foreign national?  Is that the problem?  Is it that it was Russia, with whom the Clintons certainly have had relations with by accepting millions of dollars from them for the Clinton Foundation.  Would it have been acceptable if the info had come from Great Britain?

All people will say is that there was a meeting/collusion.  Is it always collusion when negative info is expected to be received?  What's the difference between collusion and a meeting?


In your first reply, you ignored my questions.  Please answer at least some of them.
  
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
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Abe wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:38am:
Yesterday you said it wasn't collusion when I point out that Dershowitz even said it was far-fetched along with other legal scholars.

You then deflected by saying he lied on his clearance form or whatever it's called, so it was a criminal offense for not reporting it.

Now you're back to collusion which is still a stretch to prove.

You need to be consistent.


Show me where I said there was no collusion.

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crepe05 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 8:39am:
Aw, c'mon.  Get real, if you can.  Is it the same people at the same meeting representing the church and the cocaine dealers?  Are the coke dealers known as coke dealers or do they also deal in church steeples?  I assume the coke dealers are dems and the church steeple dealers are reps and the steeple representatives go into the meeting expecting only church steeple dealers.  They leave within twenty minutes when they find out the reality.

Again, I'm asking questions you probably don't like and will ignore. 


Mrs Crepe, what is amazing to me is you and those that apparently think as you do, absolutely ignoring what is in front of your very eyes.  I hate to say it but those that are disputing this want everyone to put common sense on hold.  In other words "believe what we tell you, not what you're seeing."

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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 12:16pm:
Mrs Crepe, what is amazing to me is you and those that apparently think as you do, absolutely ignoring what is in front of your very eyes.  I hate to say it but those that are disputing this want everyone to put common sense on hold.  In other words "believe what we tell you, not what you're seeing."

Greg


That kind of thing used to amaze me, too.  But no longer.  The founders were aware of this trait in many, too.  It's one reason they attempted to keep popular voting as far away from the selection of a president as possible. 

The good news is that most people are not like that.  They may not publicly state they were wrong (that's a hard thing for anybody to do), but they will learn from it.  But some won't (or can't might be a better term).
  

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