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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #10 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 2:09pm
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Abe wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:38am:
Yesterday you said it wasn't collusion when I point out that Dershowitz even said it was far-fetched along with other legal scholars.

You then deflected by saying he lied on his clearance form or whatever it's called, so it was a criminal offense for not reporting it.

Now you're back to collusion which is still a stretch to prove.

You need to be consistent.


Show me.

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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #11 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 2:15pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 2:09pm:
Show me.

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You're right you said he was guilty of conspiracy when I asked you if it rose to collusion.

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http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1500032734/0#5

When I come across it I do recall you saying that he lied when his didn't reveal this on his security application.

But for now...you're right.... on the thread and reply in question... it was conspiracy.

EDIT: here's where you made an issue of his clearance application that I admit I confused with your other reply.

Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 12th, 2017 at 12:11pm:
This  little weasel lied on the SF86 Security Clearance form.  He "forgot" meetings with Russian nationals.  He's had to "amend" the form several times from what I'm reading.  I've filled out several of these forms and went through the follow up interview with a Federal Agent and got my clearance.  I also had to have it updated every four years and go through the same process.  When you're in the interview and at the end you sign the form and they will ask "is everything you've put down here true?".  It had better be, because if it's not... well... that's your ass.  Why does Kushner still have HIS clearance.  Lying on the form is a felony.

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Show you? Now you've been shown both. My apologies for confusing your unending list of unproven charges. Cool



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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #12 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 10:26pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:08am:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/collusion


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You wanted to see it, the lies that preceded it, you got it.  If anything, all of this absolutely justifies a Special Counsel investigation into Trump and associates.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Greg



And did this happen?

Defraud a person

Conspire to commit Fraud upon another person

Two people to deceive a court

People looking for facts of a crime committed is not fraud. If they lie and give false information, that is wrong.

1.      Full Definition of fraud. 1a: deceit, trickery; specifically: intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting: trick.

1.      de·fraud
[dəˈfrôd]


VERB
Defrauds (third person present) · defrauded (past tense) · defrauded (past participle) · defrauding (present participle)
1.      illegally obtain money from (someone) by deception:
"He used a false identity to defraud the bank of thousands of dollars" ·
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synonyms: swindle · cheat · rob · embezzle · deceive · dupe · hoodwink · double-cross · trick · con · do · sting · diddle · rip off · shaft · bilk · rook · gyp ·

noun. The definition of collusion is a conspiracy or a secret agreement for an illegal or immoral reason. When two people plan to rob a bank together, this is an example of collusion.

Hillary lost. There is no reason to keep trying to win the election. But if she did break our laws, why should she be exempt?
And so far, I have not seen any proof. I smell smoke, but I don’t see the fire yet. Maybe there is none. But it is not collusion to look for true facts.
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #13 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:02am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 12:16pm:
Mrs Crepe, what is amazing to me is you and those that apparently think as you do, absolutely ignoring what is in front of your very eyes.  I hate to say it but those that are disputing this want everyone to put common sense on hold.  In other words "believe what we tell you, not what you're seeing."

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Why don't you try telling me what it is that I am ignoring?  Let me warn you, though, I don't want just some dem talking points.  I'd like some evidence.  You do know what that is, don't you?  As far as I'm concerned, meeting with some one is not colluding.  Possibly taking money from them is (hil's foundation did that).  Of course, your side doesn't want to even respond to that part of the equation. 

Tell me, what was talked about at that meeting that indicates that Don jr "colluded" with the Russian lawyer who was here on a Visa given to her by the obummer administration and which had expired but she was still allowed to remain in the country?  She was a lobbyist, and even your side's Pelosi had meetings with her.  Why don't you say that Pelosi and the dems colluded?  Do I detect bias in you?
  
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #14 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:14am
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crepe05 wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:02am:
Why don't you try telling me what it is that I am ignoring?  Let me warn you, though, I don't want just some dem talking points.  I'd like some evidence.  You do know what that is, don't you?  As far as I'm concerned, meeting with some one is not colluding.  Possibly taking money from them is (hil's foundation did that).  Of course, your side doesn't want to even respond to that part of the equation. 

Tell me, what was talked about at that meeting that indicates that Don jr "colluded" with the Russian lawyer who was here on a Visa given to her by the obummer administration and which had expired but she was still allowed to remain in the country?  She was a lobbyist, and even your side's Pelosi had meetings with her.  Why don't you say that Pelosi and the dems colluded?  Do I detect bias in you?

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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #15 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 8:51am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 12:16pm:
Mrs Crepe, what is amazing to me is you and those that apparently think as you do, absolutely ignoring what is in front of your very eyes.  I hate to say it but those that are disputing this want everyone to put common sense on hold.  In other words "believe what we tell you, not what you're seeing."

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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #16 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 8:59am
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crepe05 wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 6:02am:
Why don't you try telling me what it is that I am ignoring?  Let me warn you, though, I don't want just some dem talking points.  I'd like some evidence.  You do know what that is, don't you?  As far as I'm concerned, meeting with some one is not colluding.  Possibly taking money from them is (hil's foundation did that).  Of course, your side doesn't want to even respond to that part of the equation.


You are simply lost and confused.  What does Hillary's corruption have to do with the corruption of Trump's minions? 

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Tell me, what was talked about at that meeting that indicates that Don jr "colluded" with the Russian lawyer who was here on a Visa given to her by the obummer administration and which had expired but she was still allowed to remain in the country?


He knowingly tried to gather info from a hostile foreign government.  Once again wtf does Obama have to do with the corruption of Trump minions?

Are you senile, retarded, or just pretending at this point?

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She was a lobbyist, and even your side's Pelosi had meetings with her.  Why don't you say that Pelosi and the dems colluded?  Do I detect bias in you?


It's not the fact that she had a meeting with anyone that's the problem.  But you know that already.
  

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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #17 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 9:16am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jul 15th, 2017 at 7:08am:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/collusion


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You wanted to see it, the lies that preceded it, you got it.  If anything, all of this absolutely justifies a Special Counsel investigation into Trump and associates.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Greg


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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #18 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 10:11am
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Seawolf wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 7:14am:
Greg, biased!?  Hahahahaha!!  Cheesy


Hey CC:

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Unmasked for political purposes is criminal.  WHEN OR IF evidence reveal collusion then we proceed.  Now that we know Rice unmasked for political purposes are you saying that is ok?


http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1491237665/60

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What is really amusing to me is the distinction between the hysteria of Russian collusion and the admission by Comey to Gowdy regarding Hillary lying to Congress, should I post that video for you?  We have actual evidence for EVERYONE to read and analyze regarding her server that was NOT authorized for intel, yet she emailed intel.  The list is endless regarding Hillary, on the other hand we have hysteria from liberals, just like you who are citing collusion with the Russians and yet we have asked for evidence, like with Hillary, that we can analyze and draw our own conclusion and all we hear is there is a grand jury investigation on Flynn!!  Wow, that is a serious thud Elmer, a grand jury investigation into Flynn is conclusion enough to state Trump colluded with Putin!?  Yet you and others are incapable of seeing the hysteria for what it is.  This whole ordeal is very similar to the Birther movement, by the way started by Hillary's campaign.  So there is a very distinct difference and until there is evidence that we can actually read, watch or listen to all we are getting is massive hyper-ventilating by liberals on this forum.  I am more then willing to ask for impeachment IF you libs can offer up evidence, not hearsay, EVIDENCE.  Enjoy your day.

It is a very fun day!   


http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1494424461/23

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Let's wait and see Pee Wee Herman.  The gentleman who says he knows said he will be talking as early as tomorrow after talking to his lawyers.  This is getting real fun, let's see how quick the Russian collusion evaporates.  By the way, Podestra's emails that were hacked was done by a phishing email, he used password as his password, about as smart as someone in a coma.


http://www.libertynewsforum.com/cgi-bin/politics/YaBB.pl?num=1495486046/5

All eloquently stated by my good and true friend Seawolf.  You wanted to see evidence, you got it.

How's that collusion workin' out for ya?

Greg
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Re: OK, you wanted to see proof of collusion between Trump and Russia, you got it....
Reply #19 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 4:47pm
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Why would Donald Jr even be filling out a security clearance when he is running the business not in the WH?

Think the whole thing is a lot of smoke to keep people from seeing whatis really going on.
  

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