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Re: FACT: THIS IS PART OF RUSSIA AND ITS GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR. TRUMP
Reply #40 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 2:59am
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Vypr wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 2:55am:
I am not arguing at this point whether he broke the law. Let others do that. I am establishing a few facts based on Trump Jr's own email trail and what he has said since:
1. Russia was trying to actively help the Trump campaign
2. The Trump campaign leadership was willing to engage the Russian govt for help
3. The Trump campaign KNEW this was the Russian govt. It was stated clearly in Jr's e-mail trail.
4. Trump Jr. has lied multiple times about this meeting.


If illegality isn't the issue what is the point of the thread? Trump Jr. is a meanie? Yeah he lied. Now what?
  

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Re: FACT: THIS IS PART OF RUSSIA AND ITS GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR. TRUMP
Reply #41 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:05am
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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 2:59am:
If illegality isn't the issue what is the point of the thread? Trump Jr. is a meanie? Yeah he lied. Now what?

Yes, you are right, Trump Jr is a liar. The bigger picture is that the first three items in that list have been denied since Trump took office. We now know these denials were all lies. It has been nothing but lies throughout by the Trump team. The Russian govt wanted to help them and they were willing to engage with the Russian govt. It's black and white in the emails. They lied about everything up to this point. There is no reason to trust anything they have to say on these issues.
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Re: FACT: THIS IS PART OF RUSSIA AND ITS GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR. TRUMP
Reply #42 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:10am
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Vypr wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:05am:
Yes, you are right, Trump Jr is a liar. The bigger picture is that the first three items in that list have been denied since Trump took office. We know these denials were all lies. It has been nothing but lies throughout by the Trump team. The Russian govt wanted to help them and they were willing to engage with the Russian govt. It's black and white in the emails. They lied about everything up to this point. There is no reason to trust anything they have to say on these issues.


And this is why we have the saying "it's not the crime but the cover-up".

As it stand now he lied about an unknown crime and President Trump who was supposed to be the focus of all this is still in the clear.
  

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Reply #43 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:14am
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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:10am:
And this is why we have the saying "it's not the crime but the cover-up".

As it stand now he lied about an unknown crime and President Trump who was supposed to be the focus of all this is still in the clear.

Trump Sr approved Trump Jr's lies.
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President Trump approved the initial statement put out by his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., explaining why he met last summer with a lawyer linked to the Russian government, according to a report Tuesday night.

The New York Times said that Trump signed off on the statement, in which Trump Jr. said the meeting had been primarily related to a ban on adoptions by American families of Russian children.

The original statement was drafted aboard Air Force One by advisers and then approved by Trump himself.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-approved-don-jrs-initial-statement-on-ru...


So, both Trump Jr and Trump lied.
The Russian govt sought out to support the Trump campaign.
The Trump campaign was willing to engage the Russian govt on this.
  

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Reply #44 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:19am
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Vypr wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:14am:
Trump Sr approved Trump Jr's lies.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-approved-don-jrs-initial-statement-on-ru...


So, both Trump Jr and Trump lied.
The Russian govt sought out to support the Trump campaign.
The Trump campaign was willing to engage the Russian govt on this.


Was the President aware the meeting was going to happen? Did he know it was going to take place?
  

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Reply #45 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:21am
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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:19am:
Was the President aware the meeting was going to happen? Did he know it was going to take place?

We don't know yet. I have no doubt that this won't become clear in the near future. Everyone in that group leaks, either to cover their ass or out of pure stupidity.

If Trump Sr. did know his team was meeting with the Russian govt, is that a problem for you or no big deal?
  

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Reply #46 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:27am
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Vypr wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:21am:
We don't know yet. I have no doubt that this won't become clear in the near future. Everyone in that group leaks, either to cover their ass or out of pure stupidity.


So we still have nothing.

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If Trump Sr. did know his team was meeting with the Russian govt, is that a problem for you or no big deal?


This is key. Trump wanting to win the election and Trump wanting to hurt the country are two different issues. Wanting oppo research to me isn't that big of a deal. I personally find it hard to believe that any of our recent presidents would work with Russia to undermine the US
  

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Reply #47 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:28am
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Vypr wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 2:12am:
WRONG.
This was in the email sent to him before the meeting:
>>>> THIS IS PART OF RUSSIA AND ITS GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR. TRUMP
Seriously, what is your dysfunction? Reading comprehension or what?

Glen, any reply or can I take it you completely missed this blindingly obvious point? So yeah, you are wrong. Jr. DID accept a meeting with a foreign nation. Though it seems you won't care.
  

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Reply #48 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 9:31am
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The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:27am:
So we still have nothing.

We have a history of lies and deceit on just about all aspects of this from the Trump team. That's pretty concerning, both as a question of character and an indication of some underlying motive to lie at every turn.

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This is key. Trump wanting to win the election and Trump wanting to hurt the country are two different issues. Wanting oppo research to me isn't that big of a deal.

You can hurt the country without directly setting out to do that. Some people could say the ends justify the means. That doing something with Russia that hurts the country was a lesser evil. I would most strenuously disagree.

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I personally find it hard to believe that any of our recent presidents would work with Russia to undermine the US
So you agree that to do so would be bad. I hope that's an understatement on my part.
  

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Re: FACT: THIS IS PART OF RUSSIA AND ITS GOVERNMENT'S SUPPORT FOR MR. TRUMP
Reply #49 - Jul 17th, 2017 at 10:03am
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Vypr wrote on Jul 16th, 2017 at 11:00pm:
All along, everyone denied that Russia wanted to help or helped Trump. Everyone denied that the Trump team met with or even was willing to work with Russia in any way to help the campaign. Every time it was raised, "fake news" was the reply. Appears all of those people were idiots and were used by the people they pledge loyalty to. There is no reason to believe anything Trump, Trump Jr or any other member of this team says at this point because THEY HAVE LIED CONTINUOUSLY.


Wow, you took a great leap from Don Jr. meeting 20 minutes and then leaving and then you leaped to  and worked with the Russians.  Also, the meeting was even before Trump became the official nominee. 

You are funny, though.  You say the Trump team lied and that's an awful thing to do, but I don't recall that it bothers you that hil's lied about the cause of Benghazi, lied about the lack of security there, 6 Americans and friendlies were killed because of her lies, and Lord only knows what else she has lied about.  It was just fine and dandy with you that she was the official nominee of the dem party (a perfect fit, imo).  The obummer admin stood right beside her and lied their way through the Sunday shows, and not a whimper from any of those on the left.  The "Trump team lied" refrain from those on the left is actually disgustingly two-faced.  No one died in the Trump lie.  None of our security was damaged.  A non-politician lied about a 20 minute meeting where no info was exchanged, no secrets given to an adversary, nothing accomplished.

Get back to me when you can name the actual crime committed by Don, Jr.


  
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