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Reply #40 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:33am
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This is fun. This is a fun time.
  

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Reply #41 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:34am
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Pavarotti Sings the Crusades wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:33am:
This is fun. This is a fun time.



Sad, but true.
  

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Re: For the capital punishment fans
Reply #42 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:07am
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petep wrote on Aug 8th, 2017 at 7:32pm:
I can give you 1000x the number of stories where killers kill again. You need to read up on recidivism stats in the states.

I'm sure you have countless examples of perfect solutions where there are no potential negative consequences.

Do you support surgical procedures?

Or, would you be open to jailing judges who release prisoners who go into kill again, or commit any crimes for that matter.



They don't kill again if they are locked up.

And if they are locked up, you can let them go if it turns out that they are not guilty.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Reply #43 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:30am
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Limey wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:07am:
They don't kill again if they are locked up.

And if they are locked up, you can let them go if it turns out that they are not guilty.


I have never subscribed to the theory that capital punishment served as any kind of deterrent or that it was in any sense punishment for a crime if one defines punishment as a consequence suffered to correct future behavior.

Nor do I consider it barbaric.  I believe there truly are crimes committed against humanity that, when the guilty party can be identified beyond the "reasonable doubt" standard, society has a right if not duty to remove that person from this life.  But the death penalty is assessed in too many cases (IMO) where the crime is neither that horrific or the standard of guilt is only that of "beyond reasonable doubt." 

As to the lock 'em up forever option, I believe that actually costs less (or no more) than the endless appeals that result from nearly every capital crime.  There really aren't that many of them in the overall scheme of things, and the incremental cost to house a few more convicts for life can't be all that significant to the overall cost of the correctional system.  But I know of at least one county in one state that had to raise property taxes to pay for the defense of two men charged with a capital crime, sentenced to death, when there was absolutely NO doubt as to their guilt.  (Unless they were clones of the actual perpetrators.)  Of course, that's the county's fault for seeking the death penalty in the first place.

Rather than impose death penalty, there should be TRUE life sentences, no possibility of parole, absent an overturning of the conviction based on new evidence.

As a corrections commissioner once said, "We gotta decide who we're scared of and who we're just mad at.  Lock the ones we're scared up for as long as possible, including their natural lives, and punish the ones we're mad at just enough to (hopefully) correct their future behavior."
  

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Reply #44 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:31am
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Pavarotti Sings the Crusades wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 2:33am:
This is fun. This is a fun time.


It is.  It certainly is.
  

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Re: For the capital punishment fans
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Limey wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:07am:
They don't kill again if they are locked up.

And if they are locked up, you can let them go if it turns out that they are not guilty.


PP doesn't care. He thinks of it as collateral damage, until the day he or someone he cares about is arrested then he'll change his mind.
  

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Re: For the capital punishment fans
Reply #46 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:31am
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Pavarotti Sings the Crusades wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:38am:
And Jasmine once again baits the left into a frenzied pretzel of loathing and condescension.


Nah.  I just feel sorry for her.  You, too.
  

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Re: For the capital punishment fans
Reply #47 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:41am
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EF wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:31am:
Nah.  I just feel sorry for her.  You, too.


Agreed.

If Jasmine is genuine (a big "if"), that is no way to live.
  

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Re: For the capital punishment fans
Reply #48 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 11:44am
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EF wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 10:30am:
I have never subscribed to the theory that capital punishment served as any kind of deterrent or that it was in any sense punishment for a crime if one defines punishment as a consequence suffered to correct future behavior.

Nor do I consider it barbaric.  I believe there truly are crimes committed against humanity that, when the guilty party can be identified beyond the "reasonable doubt" standard, society has a right if not duty to remove that person from this life.  But the death penalty is assessed in too many cases (IMO) where the crime is neither that horrific or the standard of guilt is only that of "beyond reasonable doubt." 

As to the lock 'em up forever option, I believe that actually costs less (or no more) than the endless appeals that result from nearly every capital crime.  There really aren't that many of them in the overall scheme of things, and the incremental cost to house a few more convicts for life can't be all that significant to the overall cost of the correctional system.  But I know of at least one county in one state that had to raise property taxes to pay for the defense of two men charged with a capital crime, sentenced to death, when there was absolutely NO doubt as to their guilt.  (Unless they were clones of the actual perpetrators.)  Of course, that's the county's fault for seeking the death penalty in the first place.

Rather than impose death penalty, there should be TRUE life sentences, no possibility of parole, absent an overturning of the conviction based on new evidence.

As a corrections commissioner once said, "We gotta decide who we're scared of and who we're just mad at.  Lock the ones we're scared up for as long as possible, including their natural lives, and punish the ones we're mad at just enough to (hopefully) correct their future behavior."


Agree with most of this too, except that I honestly don't think we - society - outside war, have a right to kill except at last resort and in self /other defence.
  

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Re: For the capital punishment fans
Reply #49 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 12:04pm
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BowHunter wrote on Aug 8th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Yeah,  he's a troll. He's just hoping to get a reaction.


You again huh? I hate to break this to you snowflake but trolling is done solely to get a rise out of someone. But, just saying something you don't like isn't trolling.

If anyone in this thread is trolling it's the OP. The man in question was tried and convicted. Of a pretty nasty crime too but because the guy has ties to the UK this all of a sudden becomes a case of America getting it wrong. Odds are the guy deserves to be exactly where he is right now.
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