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Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:32am
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Yes or no?

Please explain why?
  

All throughout our American history, world history, "ordinary people can do extraordinary things"
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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #1 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:10pm
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Luther wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:32am:
Yes or no?

Please explain why?


No.

Because if something finite and finitely complex has as a small but finite probability to happen by itself

something infinite and infinitely complex has as infinitely small probability to happen by itself.

What's infinitely small? Zero.

When faced with two eventualities, always choose the one that's not impossible.

That's always seemed reasonable to me.

Of course, there are many other reasons but that one pretty much seals the deal for me.
  

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Do You Eat Carrots wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #2 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:50pm
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No, but I am the product of 1500 years of continuous Christianity, and I feel a little uneasy (balanced with excited) about what comes next.

Discussions on LNF have modified my views somewhat.

The British boards just don't discuss religion, as a thing in itself.

Yes, the similar propaganda-victim hysteria about Islam and cultural concerns about the Church fading.


Talking with Rick, Writer's Block,  Elmer,  Mfa, Frank1 and Mike Gloster -and of course Seawolf - I have moved.
I was pretty much an atheist but now I am pretty much an atheist prepared to stand in Deist shoes to feel the fit.

My reasons for not believing are that, fundamentally I see belief as wishful thinking on the part of those who really really want there to be a God so they invent one.

Dawkins explores this very well but essentially that's it.
I am suspicious that the God we have is more or less the one we want, psychologically and indeed politically.
  

Under Capitalism, Man exploits Man.

Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #3 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 1:51pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:50pm:
No, but I am the product of 1500 years of continuous Christianity, and I feel a little uneasy (balanced with excited) about what comes next.

Discussions on LNF have modified my views somewhat.

The British boards just don't discuss religion, as a thing in itself.

Yes, the similar propaganda-victim hysteria about Islam and cultural concerns about the Church fading.


Talking with Rick, Writer's Block,  Elmer,  Mfa, Frank1 and Mike Gloster -and of course Seawolf - I have moved.
I was pretty much an atheist but now I am pretty much an atheist prepared to stand in Deist shoes to feel the fit.

My reasons for not believing are that, fundamentally I see belief as wishful thinking on the part of those who really really want there to be a God so they invent one.

Dawkins explores this very well but essentially that's it.
I am suspicious that the God we have is more or less the one we want, psychologically and indeed politically.


I am sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, bro, but what comes next is pretty obvious... nothing.

You may find that depressing but at least it beats the hell out of spending an eternity... in hell... or anywhere for that matter...

can you imagine an ETERNITY... it must be pretty awful... once you've done everything a billion times... you'll still have an eternity ahead of you!
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... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:39pm
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No, I meant what comes next after a predominantly religious society.
  

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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:54pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:39pm:
No, I meant what comes next after a predominantly religious society.


France: They almost never talk about religion, even the believers.
  

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... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:15pm
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BowHunter wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:54pm:
France: They almost never talk about religion, even the believers.



We are nearly there in UK too.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 10:12pm
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BowHunter wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
No.

Because if something finite and finitely complex has as a small but finite probability to happen by itself

something infinite and infinitely complex has as infinitely small probability to happen by itself.

What's infinitely small? Zero.

When faced with two eventualities, always choose the one that's not impossible.

That's always seemed reasonable to me.

Of course, there are many other reasons but that one pretty much seals the deal for me.


I don't believe you have done that.  I know YOU believe it, though.
  

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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 10:26pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:39pm:
No, I meant what comes next after a predominantly religious society.


My belief, after many years of cogitating on it, is that most "religious" societies were composed of people who wouldn't know Jesus (or Mohammed or Allah, take your pick of any others) if He walked up to them and slapped them upside the head with a wet dishrag.  True, church attendance used to be much higher, but it was due to the perceived stigma associated with non-attendance or laws requiring it and punishing for non compliance, not any "religiosity" of the crowd.  Societies were no more "religious" then than they are now.  Individuals are just freer to be themselves in public.  And I think that's a good thing, frankly.
  

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Re: Do You Believe In God Or Creator?
Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 10:55pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:50pm:
No, but I am the product of 1500 years of continuous Christianity, and I feel a little uneasy (balanced with excited) about what comes next.

Discussions on LNF have modified my views somewhat.

The British boards just don't discuss religion, as a thing in itself.

Yes, the similar propaganda-victim hysteria about Islam and cultural concerns about the Church fading.


Talking with Rick, Writer's Block,  Elmer,  Mfa, Frank1 and Mike Gloster -and of course Seawolf - I have moved.
I was pretty much an atheist but now I am pretty much an atheist prepared to stand in Deist shoes to feel the fit.

My reasons for not believing are that, fundamentally I see belief as wishful thinking on the part of those who really really want there to be a God so they invent one.

Dawkins explores this very well but essentially that's it.
I am suspicious that the God we have is more or less the one we want, psychologically and indeed politically.


The Bible actually says this. It goes on to say that the Creator must reveal Himself to His creation by a means other than simply letting people see the creation. Hence, the Word. Absent that, people seeing a creation will instinctively know there must be a creator and attempt to find out who it is and do what it takes keep him happy.  i.e. - they make it up.

I read a story (true story) once about a tribe of Indians in the Natchez area. Built a big mound, Emerald Mound is its name today.  That mound had a smaller mound on it.  On that smaller mound lived an Indian whose job it was to get up when still dark and "coax" the sun up over the horizon.  His failure to do so would mean the sun would not rise and death would be imminent.  That Indian was a real big shot in the tribe. 

I can't imagine what he thought when he, inevitably, overslept the first time and it came up anyway.  Reckon he told anybody?  I don't.  Who would give up a gig like that?

The Book says that people (most, anyway, and certainly nearly all back in the day when the Bible was written) seeing a creation will know there is a creator.  But the Book also says that absent a revelation from that creator, they cannot know anything else about him other than he created.
  

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