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Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:57pm
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He, his mother, or did someone else fill his head with lies?

He was not a god, nor a son of a god. Did he come up with that story or did his mother do that to him? She had sex with a man, got pregnant with him and raised him in a lie?
Or was he what would be known today as a nut?

It will be hard for the religious to answer this. But Im sure they can help my question to be more simple.

  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 10:56am
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JohnnyBgood wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:57pm:
He, his mother, or did someone else fill his head with lies?

He was not a god, nor a son of a god. Did he come up with that story or did his mother do that to him? She had sex with a man, got pregnant with him and raised him in a lie?
Or was he what would be known today as a nut?

It will be hard for the religious to answer this. But Im sure they can help my question to be more simple.



Won't be hard at all for me.  No one filled His head with lies.  He was God incarnate, fully man and fully God at the same time.  His mother had no sex with a man until after His birth.  He probably would be known today as a nut and He was at that time, too, by more than a few.

  

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Reply #2 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:36pm
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That neatly illustrated one of the eternal problems with religion.


How do you tell the difference between someone inspired by God and someone with a desperate mental health problem?
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 4:50pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:36pm:
That neatly illustrated one of the eternal problems with religion.


How do you tell the difference between someone inspired by God and someone with a desperate mental health problem?


Good question, and it has been asked for centuries.  All I can tell you is it says in the NT that Jesus said "my sheep know my voice."  That actually has a lot of deep theology behind it, discussion of which is not fruitful with non-believers at all and sometimes not even with believers. 

But like Charles Manson did, many people can fool many people.  One generally can tell a lot by what a person does.  One can also be assured that, assuming the NT is correct "in all material respects," Jesus will only come one more time bodily and has only been here once before, bodily.  If I am one of His "sheep," and I believe I am, and if the "sheep will know His voice" (means recognize Him when they see Him), then I haven't run up on Him as of right now. 

I will also add this.  I have had more than a little success, without even really trying, in disabusing people of the notion that God gave them a revelation or told them to do something simply by making them think about it a little.  So it's definitely a tough subject.
  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #4 - Aug 22nd, 2017 at 5:19pm
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Hmm...


Even more difficult if someone is doing something demonstrably good, whilst claiming divine instruction.


However, given that most of us recognise "good" & "bad", if a new Abraham came along and was truly instructed by God to butcher his child, but was apprehended just prior to God pulling the plan, Abraham 2017 would be in prison.



Tricky stuff. Almost like there is no meaningful distinction between direct instruction from God and madness.
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 6:06pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 5:19pm:
Hmm...


Even more difficult if someone is doing something demonstrably good, whilst claiming divine instruction.


However, given that most of us recognise "good" & "bad", if a new Abraham came along and was truly instructed by God to butcher his child, but was apprehended just prior to God pulling the plan, Abraham 2017 would be in prison.



Tricky stuff. Almost like there is no meaningful distinction between direct instruction from God and madness.


According to the bible god makes bets with Satan. I wouldn't be surprised if he had him over for dinner once in a while.
  

Non sequitur:

The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #6 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 6:21pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 5:19pm:
Hmm...


Even more difficult if someone is doing something demonstrably good, whilst claiming divine instruction.


However, given that most of us recognise "good" & "bad", if a new Abraham came along and was truly instructed by God to butcher his child, but was apprehended just prior to God pulling the plan, Abraham 2017 would be in prison.



Tricky stuff. Almost like there is no meaningful distinction between direct instruction from God and madness.


I would have to agree on at least one level.  For instance, I read of a "church" in Virginia I think that had a "service" where they tried to beat the gayness out of young adult member.  I feel sure they believe they were doing God's work, but I am just as sure they're wackos and wouldn't know God if he walked up to them and slapped them upside the head with a wet dishrag.

As far as the snake handlers, my only comment on that practice is suit yourself, but I do feel sorry for the snakes. (I read somewhere that the average life of a snake in captivity and used for that purpose is like 2 to 4 months versus 20 years in the wild.) I think most of those people would probably recognize God before he had to whop them upside the head with a wet dishrag, but I also firmly believe they're taking scripture completely out of context when they "take up serpents and drink poison."

I take with a huge dose of skepticism anything said by anybody who starts it off anything like this:  "God told me.....".   I generally listen respectfully but I fear my body language is indicating I'd rather be elsewhere, because usually I would.  There are occasions when I converse, again respectfully, and it's been on a few of those occasions that, without even really trying, I was able to disabuse the person of the notion that God had told him anything.  And all I really did was make him think about it by first agreeing that God may well have told him that very thing, but here are the reasons I think maybe God didn't.  After giving those reasons I said, but if you're sure God told you that then by all means I'd do it if I were you.  In no case of which I am aware did the person take the action he said God told him to take.  So either I am a tool of Satan or God didn't tell that fellow anything.  I hope it's the latter.


  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #7 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:27pm
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Maybe Satan now owes God a dollar, or, more likely, a shekel.
  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #9 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:31am
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President in Exile Bama Beau wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:23am:
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God did. Jesus was sent to be sacrificed. He was God dying as Man,
cleansing sin from the world. That was God's plan. Ergo, God murdered Jesus.

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Which happens to be himself (sort of) so god also committed suicide, which is a mortal sin, god is in hell now expiating for his sins...
  

Non sequitur:

The Wet Dreams of Mr Cousteau wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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