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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #10 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:07pm
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BowHunter wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:31am:
Which happens to be himself (sort of) so god also committed suicide, which is a mortal sin, god is in hell now expiating for his sins...


Only to Catholics, which you aren't, and even Catholics are wrong about that, IMO.
  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #11 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:22pm
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EF wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:07pm:
Only to Catholics, which you aren't, and even Catholics are wrong about that, IMO.


Yeah, the Catholics are wrong... they just happen to represent more than half of the Christians of the world. Not long ago you made the case that when people massively believe one thing, IT'S EVIDENCE.

But for the Catholics, it isn't evidence anymore?

What the...?

So now everyone can believe one thing and it isn't evidence.... until next time when you'll be served by the opposite argument and it will become evidence... again! Roll Eyes
  

Non sequitur:

Rodney Your Teas Ready wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #12 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:35pm
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JohnnyBgood wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:57pm:
He, his mother, or did someone else fill his head with lies?

He was not a god, nor a son of a god. Did he come up with that story or did his mother do that to him? She had sex with a man, got pregnant with him and raised him in a lie?
Or was he what would be known today as a nut?

It will be hard for the religious to answer this. But Im sure they can help my question to be more simple.

You should check out the book The Passover Plot. It discusses this very point. To sum it up: there were numerous jewish men in that era who thought they were "the messiah". There was nothing particularly malicious aobut it. THe OT foretold it, many jews, Jesus included, believed it, and many jewish men went so far as to act on their belief. So that's what caused Jesus to act the way he did. As for who killed him, well the Romans, as they did for many others who disrupted the harmony they established in their colonies. (harmony according to them of course, but still in their perception harmony).
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm
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BowHunter wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
Yeah, the Catholics are wrong... they just happen to represent more than half of the Christians of the world. Not long ago you made the case that when people massively believe one thing, IT'S EVIDENCE.

But for the Catholics, it isn't evidence anymore?

What the...?

So now everyone can believe one thing and it isn't evidence.... until next time when you'll be served by the opposite argument and it will become evidence... again! Roll Eyes


Beliefs are not evidence.  Testimony is, even when it turns out to be wrong.  I know you have a very high opinion of yourself, but IMO you don't rate it.

The concept of mortal and venial sin is Catholic, not Biblical.
  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #14 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:37pm
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EF wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm:
Beliefs are not evidence.  Testimony is, even when it turns out to be wrong.  I know you have a very high opinion of yourself, but IMO you don't rate it.

The concept of mortal and venial sin is Catholic, not Biblical.

In a crossover mixup from t'other thread, nay, nay and thrice nay!


Evidence is that which is tested in the adversarial court and accepted.

Testimony which is demonstrated to be false, and it's immaterial whether that's an honest error or not, must be discarded. It's not evidence.
  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #15 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 5:51pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
In a crossover mixup from t'other thread, nay, nay and thrice nay!


Evidence is that which is tested in the adversarial court and accepted.

Testimony which is demonstrated to be false, and it's immaterial whether that's an honest error or not, must be discarded. It's not evidence.


Under the definition of the word "evidence," I say you're wrong.  That evidence tells a story that turns out to be false does not mean it wasn't evidence. Even if it's discarded.

If a person says he saw A commit a crime and is sure of it, not hearsay but he saw A do the deed, and it later turns out A did not do the deed, B did, but B is a doppelganger for A.  That person offered evidence based on what he saw (using his senses) that he believed to be true, but it turns out he was mistaken.  He did not lie.  He made an error. His testimony was still evidence under the plain meaning of the word.

But I get main point.  The existence of this universe is NOT, in your opinion and that of many others, "evidence" of a creator. It could have just happened, despite that requiring a greater suspension of disbelief (IMO and that of many others, but not you and many others).  And I will concede this point: if the existence of what many call a creation is not accepted as "evidence" that at least supports the idea of a creator, then nothing else will.  And I am cool with that, and also tired of this particular debate. 
  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #16 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 8:02pm
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It's always enjoyable, Mr. Fudd, and doubtless this minor topic will pop up again intermittently.

Food for my thinking stomach as always, and if you don't feed it, who knows what could happen.







Might turn Conservative. Eeeeeek.
  

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Reply #17 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:00pm
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Limey wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 8:02pm:
It's always enjoyable, Mr. Fudd, and doubtless this minor topic will pop up again intermittently.

Food for my thinking stomach as always, and if you don't feed it, who knows what could happen.







Might turn Conservative. Eeeeeek. 


You already tried that.  Didn't stick.  You failed to get the lobotomy.
  

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Re: Who really caused Jesus to be murdered.
Reply #19 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:40am
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EF wrote on Aug 24th, 2017 at 2:08pm:
Beliefs are not evidence.  Testimony is, even when it turns out to be wrong. 


Testimony is strongly influenced by belief and education as anyone who's not a simpleton would know. In fact most of the time if you remove undue influence due to belief and education from one's testimony,  you're left with nothing.

Which is pretty much what we get from you, nothing but ill-informed opinion.

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I know you have a very high opinion of yourself, but IMO you don't rate it.


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The concept of mortal and venial sin is Catholic, not Biblical.


There are more than a billion of Catholics that disagree with you. They'll testify to that. Grin

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Non sequitur:

Rodney Your Teas Ready wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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