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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #40 - Sep 3rd, 2017 at 11:15pm
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This is a legal and national security issue.

You are welcome to come to the U.S. LEGALLY. You are not welcome if you come here ILLEGALLY.

We can't allow just any riff-raff entering our country anytime they want.
  


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Reply #41 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:24am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 7:51pm:
I find it ionic that Patrick says the pro-immigration stance is all about getting more votes for big government programs.

Why do I find it ironic? The irony is in the fact that his pet cause - the limitation on immigration- is itself a big government program. It involves a great deal of oversight into the private dealings of us all to ensure we are not hiring "illegals." And it requires a larger police presence, not to mention a massive public works expenditure.

It checks all the boxes for big government.



Your stuff is DRIPPING with irony.  You claim to be a libertarian, yet you support the ONE THING that would eventually result in uber statism in America - permanently.
  
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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #42 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:27am
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:24am:
Your stuff is DRIPPING with irony.  You claim to be a libertarian, yet you support the ONE THING that would eventually result in uber statism in America - permanently.



You're spot on Pat

Libertarians are oblivious to what's going on with immigration
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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #43 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:37am
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Luther wrote on Sep 3rd, 2017 at 10:10am:
No , actually I'm spot on

Even people who hardly pay attention know that simple thing Wink

Let's put it this way, you don't look to good Wink Shocked


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As far as free lunches go, I haven't had kids in the school system since he early '80's.  When my kids webt to school, they either packed their lunch from home or we paid for them to buy their food in the cafeteria.  There were no free lunches or free food of any type.

IMO, the idea of free lunches and breakfasts is a terrible idea, and it only encourages little kids to rely on the govt for their sustenance.  Catch 'em young and make them dependent early in life is the leftist dem way.  Of course, the govt, under the direction of michelle was telling the schools what to serve the kids, and the kids were dumping a lot of it in the garbage can and going hungry.  Yep, that's how govt interference works.
  
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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #44 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 11:33am
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:24am:
Your stuff is DRIPPING with irony.  You claim to be a libertarian, yet you support the ONE THING that would eventually result in uber statism in America - permanently.


Yet you do not see the support for statism in your own arguments...

What response do you have to that idea that welfare states and robust immigration are trade offs? I don't see you address this and it goes to the heart of your argument.
  

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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #45 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 11:57am
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Luther wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 5:27am:
You're spot on Pat

Libertarians are oblivious to what's going on with immigration


No, it's not that we are oblivious.

It's that we simply do not care.

We do not care about saving the culture, or the language or the white race. We don't care about saving the welfare system.

Your concerns are not our concerns.

What we are concerned with is ensuring that the state does not become an even bigger role in our lives. And you don't seem to care.

You are okay with statism and big government as long as it serves your goal of keeping out those "other" people.

Libertarians know that immigration strengthens our economy and society. And we know that you need a police state to accomplish your goals.

So to sum up, we do not share your goals of saving western european culture, or preserving the white race, and the means you have selected for this goal (the government) is not something we ever want to empower.

Anytime you want to discuss these issues with an oblivious libertarian, let me know and I will be happy to oblige.


  

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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #46 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 12:24pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 11:57am:
No, it's not that we are oblivious.

It's that we simply do not care.

We do not care about saving the culture, or the language or the white race. We don't care about saving the welfare system.

Your concerns are not our concerns.

What we are concerned with is ensuring that the state does not become an even bigger role in our lives. And you don't seem to care.

You are okay with statism and big government as long as it serves your goal of keeping out those "other" people.

Libertarians know that immigration strengthens our economy and society. And we know that you need a police state to accomplish your goals.

So to sum up, we do not share your goals of saving western european culture, or preserving the white race, and the means you have selected for this goal (the government) is not something we ever want to empower.

Anytime you want to discuss these issues with an oblivious libertarian, let me know and I will be happy to oblige.




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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #47 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:25pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 11:33am:
Yet you do not see the support for statism in your own arguments...

 


You don't see the practical consequence of statism in yours.  You're the kind of libertarian that if someone got mugged, and yelled "Call the police!", you'd call him a statist.  Grin
  
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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #48 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 7:10pm
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
You don't see the practical consequence of statism in yours. 


And your plan does not involve practical statism?

And I would note that you still have not addressed my chief claim- which is that an open immigration system undermines support for social welfare systems.

There is a reason why you don't address the issue... It is because it directly contradicts your chief claim, which is that immigration necessarily implies some sort of permanent march leftward.

You don't seem to want to address the progressive's dilemma.
  

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Re: Evict the "dreamers"
Reply #49 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 9:32pm
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
You don't see the practical consequence of statism in yours.  You're the kind of libertarian that if someone got mugged, and yelled "Call the police!", you'd call him a statist.  Grin


Most of the -practical- consequences are the results of shit heads like you and Luther arguing for restrictive policies based on race and ethnicity.

If people like you fools stayed out of the mix there would be a much greater chance that individuals would make their own decisions instead of clinging to group protection.

  Morons like you crappity smack shit up.
  

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