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United States is the ONLY Nation in the World to Imprison Children For Life
Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:14am
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We really ought to be ashamed of ourselves, particularly Florida, our worst offender.  This tough on crime, three strikes and you're out bullshit is leading us straight to hell.

https://www.panjury.com/verdict/us-the-only-nation-in-the-world-to-imprison-c

Dr. Louis Kraus, the chairman of the juvenile justice reform committee at the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, called the practice “a devastating process to even conceptualize.” “These kids have not developed. These are eighth-graders and, in some states, younger than that,” he said.

Issuing life sentences for children is banned under numerous international laws, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Convention Against Torture and the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child — which the U.S. and South Sudan are the only two states to have signed but not ratified. Also, a U.N. oversight body has found that the sentence violates the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, since youths of color are more likely to receive the sentence than white offenders.


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Re: United States is the ONLY Nation in the World to Imprison Children For Life
Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:32am
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Oh, the poor, sweet innocent kids.  How dare we get them off the streets forever for killing others?  The one poor sweet innocent kid they mentioned was a 14 y.o. girl who stabbed to death two girls of a rival gang.  Yeah, imprison her until she's 18 and let her try it again.

We don't put people in prison because of their age.  We put them in prison because of the crime they committed.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:48am
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crepe05 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:32am:
Oh, the poor, sweet innocent kids.  How dare we get them off the streets forever for killing others?  The one poor sweet innocent kid they mentioned was a 14 y.o. girl who stabbed to death two girls of a rival gang.  Yeah, imprison her until she's 18 and let her try it again.

We don't put people in prison because of their age.  We put them in prison because of the crime they committed. 


Did you read the article?  I'm guessing not.  The U.S. Supreme Court disagrees with you and has since made the practice unconstitutional, though some states are still asshats like Florida.

Developmental psychology aside, there are more reasons to consider.

Delivering the opinion of the court, Justice Elena Kagan wrote, “Mandatory life without parole for a juvenile precludes consideration of his chronological age and its hallmark features — among them, immaturity, impetuosity and failure to appreciate risks and consequences. It prevents taking into account the family and home environment that surrounds him — and from which he cannot usually extricate himself — no matter how brutal or dysfunctional.”



  

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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:58am
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Some other Nations just off them.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:11am
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Nazi Hunter B.S.C. wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:48am:
Did you read the article?  I'm guessing not.  The U.S. Supreme Court disagrees with you and has since made the practice unconstitutional, though some states are still asshats like Florida.

Developmental psychology aside, there are more reasons to consider.

Delivering the opinion of the court, Justice Elena Kagan wrote, “Mandatory life without parole for a juvenile precludes consideration of his chronological age and its hallmark features — among them, immaturity, impetuosity and failure to appreciate risks and consequences. It prevents taking into account the family and home environment that surrounds him — and from which he cannot usually extricate himself — no matter how brutal or dysfunctional.”





Yeah, I read the article.   It did not talk about the large number of kids raised in the same way who did not  kill people.  As for the S.C., I'm giving my opinion, which is what I thought this board is all about and is allowed.  I don't believe that the Supreme Court is infallible.   Their decisions must be followed or else we would have anarchy, but I don't have to agree with all of them.
  
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Nazi Hunter B.S.C. wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:14am:
We really ought to be ashamed of ourselves, particularly Florida, our worst offender.  This tough on crime, three strikes and you're out bullshit is leading s straight to hell.

https://www.panjury.com/verdict/us-the-only-nation-in-the-world-to-imprison-c

Dr. Louis Kraus, the chairman of the juvenile justice reform committee at the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, called the practice “a devastating process to even conceptualize.” “These kids have not developed. These are eighth-graders and, in some states, younger than that,” he said.

Issuing life sentences for children is banned under numerous international laws, including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Convention Against Torture and the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child — which the U.S. and South Sudan are the only two states to have signed but not ratified. Also, a U.N. oversight body has found that the sentence violates the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, since youths of color are more likely to receive the sentence than white offenders.



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Reply #6 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:22am
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The Original Wally wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:19am:
The problem of life time imprisonment of children could be easily fixed with electric highchairs!


I knew that the conservatives included some callous people  but I didn't know that you were in that sub-set.
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walkstall wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:58am:
Some other Nations just off them. 


Arguably more humane than a lifetime of imprisonment.
  

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Limey wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:22am:
I knew that the conservatives included some sick scum but I didn't know that you were in that sub-set.

The Libs all just want to murder them in their mother's womb.  Far more 'compassionate'!
  

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crepe05 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:11am:
Yeah, I read the article.   It did not talk about the large number of kids raised in the same way who did not  kill people.  As for the S.C., I'm giving my opinion, which is what I thought this board is all about and is allowed.  I don't believe that the Supreme Court is infallible.   Their decisions must be followed or else we would have anarchy, but I don't have to agree with all of them.


No kid is ever raised the same way, what a ridiculous statement.  Even children in the same household, raised by the same parents can have varied upbringings. On top of that, each individual person has there own set of mitigating circumstances that the court will take into account.

In essence, the SCOTUS decided it was true that children are different than adults and can not be held to the same standard lest we run afoul of the 8th amendment. 

Incidentally or on purpose, it's a biblical idea to begin with and should be adopted by any nation daring to call itself Christian.

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.  1 Corinthians 13:11
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