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Reply #40 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:42pm
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Cranberry Sass wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:18pm:
You're projecting your view of a god onto the Taoist view of eternity.  You've made a mistake.




No, metaphysics is universal, thus the concept of God/Godhead is as well.  Brahman/Atman in Hinduism, for instance.

Different words for the same thing, in effect. 
  


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Reply #41 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 4:07pm
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Frank1 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
Taoism, to my knowledge, is not concerned with doctrines of reincarnation and such.

Besides, Kalil Gibran was not a Taoist, he was, at least nominally, a Muslim.

Surely you have read the Tao Te Ching?  Its not long...you should read it.


I was also told to read The Tao of Pooh, by some really cool people.  I can't read anything like that though, I'd be instantly indoctrinated, like after the first chapter.  I can't risk it. 

I'm very impressionable. Embarrassed
  

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Reply #42 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 4:36pm
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Frank1 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
No, metaphysics is universal, thus the concept of God/Godhead is as well.  Brahman/Atman in Hinduism, for instance.

Different words for the same thing, in effect. 


Those represent a being.  There is nothing in Taoist philosophy that represents a supreme being.  You are mistaken.
  
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Reply #43 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 5:46pm
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Capt. Lola B.S.C. wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 4:07pm:
I was also told to read The Tao of Pooh, by some really cool people.  I can't read anything like that though, I'd be instantly indoctrinated, like after the first chapter.  I can't risk it. 

I'm very impressionable. Embarrassed


The Tao of Pooh wouldn't work unless you had read Winnie the Pooh, and were English.


You might need to have read about Tao too.


Although to be honest,  if you read Winnie the Pooh you can probably skip a lot of hardcore philosophy and religion.
  

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Reply #44 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:34pm
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Cranberry Sass wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Those represent a being.  There is nothing in Taoist philosophy that represents a supreme being.  You are mistaken.

"Those represent a being."

LOL.

okay.
  

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Reply #45 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:43pm
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Limey wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
The Tao of Pooh wouldn't work unless you had read Winnie the Pooh, and were English.


You might need to have read about Tao too.


Although to be honest,  if you read Winnie the Pooh you can probably skip a lot of hardcore philosophy and religion.


I AM English you bloody wanker!  Just because I color my writings with better and more efficient spellings of some words, does not make me a barbarian!  Not every athletically inclined stud muffin with flowing hair wearing a loin cloth and carrying a big sword is a barbarian ya' know.  That's all Hollywood.  I just wear it around the house mostly anyway.

Besides, not so sure I take orders from you any longer.  There's a new queen! 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sword-found-in-excalibur-lake_us_59ae946ee4b...

Long live Queen Matilda!  HUZZAH!!!



  

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Reply #46 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:48pm
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Yeah, let's see that little squirt fight the flower of the French aristocracy.


Actually she probably could, without the sword.
  

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Reply #47 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:15pm
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Capt. Lola B.S.C. wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
I AM English you bloody wanker!  Just because I color my writings with better and more efficient spellings of some words, does not make me a barbarian!  Not every athletically inclined stud muffin with flowing hair wearing a loin cloth and carrying a big sword is a barbarian ya' know.  That's all Hollywood.  I just wear it around the house mostly anyway.

Besides, not so sure I take orders from you any longer.  There's a new queen! 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sword-found-in-excalibur-lake_us_59ae946ee4b...

Long live Queen Matilda!  HUZZAH!!!

https://www.icetrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/43DCE11600000578-4848540-ima...


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Reply #48 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 1:31am
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Limey wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:48pm:
Yeah, let's see that little squirt fight the flower of the French aristocracy.


Actually she probably could, without the sword.


She's a natural at holding it dramatically already, the French would wet themselves.
  

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Reply #49 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 1:51am
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So I hear all the time that certain groups do nothing but complain about a problem.  I actually agree but I think that it is much more wide spread than is let on.

I agree with the basic premise of this thread.  So here is the question to all.  What do we do different?  How do we change it?  What concrete ideas do we formulate to present to our representatives to make things better?

In order to solve this problem we need
1. Crimes against society need to be punished regardless of the age of the offender.
2. Offenders under (fill in the blank) age, need to have a pathway to redemption in the eyes of society.
3. A clear understanding of what that pathway is:
    a. clear sentencing guidelines
    b. clear expectations of behavior while in custody
    c. clear expectations of personal development while in
        custody
    d. clear process for reintegration into society under terms
        that allow the individual to live up to societies expectations
        This would include things like sealing of records and other
        steps that would facilitate, for example, getting a job or
        serving in the military etc.
    e. clear process for those individuals that choose not to take
        advantage of the fact that their age at the time of the
        crime will give them special treatment that others would
        not receive.

In a nutshell, what do we do when society has to step into a "child's" life and do the things that parents should have done?
1. Teach
2. Discipline
3. Punish when called for to benefit them not the punisher
4. Make sure that they understand that repetition cannot/will not be tolerated.

Go....

  


I have never seen a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A little bird will fall dead, frozen from a bough, without ever having felt sorry for itself.--D.H. Lawrence
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