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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:40pm
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 7:52pm:
NO - follow the rules.  My GF's grandfather came here LEGALLY, got a green card, joined the army and fought in the Korean war, and later got citizenship.


There was a time in our history when our nation needed warfighters so badly, judges gave convicted felons a choice of going to jail or joining the Army.  Seems to me that same system can be applied here.  Join the military and EARN your citizenship or get deported. 

Win-win.

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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #11 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 10:43am:
Granted, you can't get everyone that way, but many of them would be eligible to serve.  That's how we do green card holders.  We allow them to enlist and they must complete citizenship paperwork by the end of their first enlistment.  The government fast tracks it for them.

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Depending on the judge, they may also casually change your name too.

My fathers birth name is Jorje, basically the Spanish equivalent of George.  At my father naturalization hearing, the judge sort of guffawed and said something like, "We'll call that George."  He then jotted some notes and my dad has legally been George ever since.  We still call him Jorje (pronounced 'Whore-Hey!') in private though, sort of a big FU to the Man.
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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #12 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 6:05am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 10:45am:
I'd rather see them do some good by volunteering in communities that need it.

We have enough stormtroopers as it is. Let's not import more!


Actually, we don't have enough, and they aren't called storm troopers.  mr crepe and I would love to see the draft come back, but we know that will never happen. 

I'd sure be willing to let the DACA people into the military, if they qualify.  Let's not lower the standards for them, though.  Of course, those who are in their late twenties and their thirties might not want to, but it certainly could be an option.  There are a lot of young'uns out there who could use the discipline found in the military.
  
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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #13 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 6:09am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Home of the free because of the brave? Not according to this libertarian.


Then I suggest that you don't join.  Because of them preserving your rights to basically live as you wish and to believe what you wish, you have that right. 
  
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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #14 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 6:11am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
There was a time in our history when our nation needed warfighters so badly, judges gave convicted felons a choice of going to jail or joining the Army.  Seems to me that same system can be applied here.  Join the military and EARN your citizenship or get deported. 

Win-win.

Greg


Yep, it was considered to be their 'sentence'.  I was a military wife at the time, and the military felt insulted.  It was when the lefties were running the nation in the 1960's.
  
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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #15 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 6:14am
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Capt. Lola B.S.C. wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:39am:
Depending on the judge, they may also casually change your name too.

My fathers birth name is Jorje, basically the English equivalent of George.  At my father naturalization hearing, the judge sort of guffawed and said something like, "We'll call that George."  He then jotted some notes and my dad has legally been George ever since.  We still call him Jorje (pronounced 'Whore-Hey!') in private though, sort of a big FU to the Man.


If your dad wants his given name back, I bet he could go through the process of changing it back.  Does he have his original birth certificate?
  
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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #16 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:16am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 9:55am:
Seems like a win-win to me.  There's already a program in place to allow green card holders to gain citizenship that way.  Why not for DACA?

Greg



Hey Greg!

Check out how Rome let the Visigoths sign up for their Military service and then see what the end result of that was Wink Shocked Roll Eyes
  

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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #17 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 9:05am
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crepe05 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 6:09am:
Then I suggest that you don't join.  Because of them preserving your rights to basically live as you wish and to believe what you wish, you have that right. 


Oh sure. Young men being used in wars of choice is what keeps me safe here.

In reality, these acts endanger all of our freedoms by drumming up hatred for Americans.
  

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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #18 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:37am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 9:55am:
Seems like a win-win to me.  There's already a program in place to allow green card holders to gain citizenship that way.  Why not for DACA?

Greg

In our volunteer military only 1% now serve and not all who try actually make it.  There is no reason to believe that more than a small fraction of any group actually would be willing to serve or have what it takes to meet the requirements necessary to wear the uniform.

However, I agree that any DOCA classified individual who wants to serve and can meet the requirements ought to be allowed to serve.  When we attended my son's graduation from Basic in Fort Sill, an Immigrant from Niger was sworn in as a US Citizen and a private in the US Army.  The Commanding Officer explained that the tradition of allowing foreigners to gain US Citizenship by serving in our military goes back to Gen. George Washington and the Revolutionary War.  Since then, my son has met new U.S. citizen/soldiers from many other nations.
  

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Re: So why can't the government just let DACA folks sign up for military service?
Reply #19 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 12:32pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:37am:
  There is no reason to believe that more than a small fraction of any group actually would be willing to serve or have what it takes to meet the requirements necessary to wear the uniform.


Yet you far-righties don't seem to have a problem believing that more than a small percentage of that same group are murderers, robbers and rapists.
  
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