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Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:09am
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The second most-powerful hurricane in recorded Atlantic history, coming on the heels of the hurricane with the heaviest rainfall in recorded continental US history, but global warming is a HOAX!

Good luck to any LNFers down in Florida!  Arch, how's it going down there?
  

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Re: hurricane irma
Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:12am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:09am:
The second most-powerful hurricane in recorded Atlantic history, coming on the heels of the hurricane with the heaviest rainfall in recorded continental US history, but global warming is a HOAX!

Good luck to any LNFers down in Florida!  Arch, how's it going down there?

HAVE YOU HEARD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE ACTUALLY SAY THIS STORM OR THE LAST ONE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING?  IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK.

(OR IS IT JUST MORE ALINSKY " NEVER ALLOW A GOOD CRISIS TO GO TO WASTE" POLITCAL HYPE OF A TRAGIC SITUATION?)
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:26am
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Sea level rise attributable to climate change – some of which is due to coastal subsidence caused by human disturbance such as oil drilling – is more than half a foot (15cm) over the past few decades (see here for a decent discussion). That means the storm surge was half a foot higher than it would have been just decades ago, meaning far more flooding and destruction.

In addition to that, sea surface temperatures in the region have risen about 0.5C (close to 1F) over the past few decades from roughly 30C (86F) to 30.5C (87F), which contributed to the very warm sea surface temperatures (30.5-31C, or 87-88F).

There is a simple thermodynamic relationship known as the Clausius-Clapeyron equation that tells us there is a roughly 3% increase in average atmospheric moisture content for each 0.5C of warming. Sea surface temperatures in the area where Harvey intensified were 0.5-1C warmer than current-day average temperatures, which translates to 1-1.5C warmer than “average” temperatures a few decades ago. That means 3-5% more moisture in the atmosphere.

That large amount of moisture creates the potential for much greater rainfalls and greater flooding. The combination of coastal flooding and heavy rainfall is responsible for the devastating flooding that Houston is experiencing.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/28/climate-change-hurricane-h...

We find that gridded temperatures, Main Development Region, and global average temperature explain the observations best. The most extreme events are especially sensitive to temperature changes, and we estimate a doubling of Katrina magnitude events associated with the warming over the 20th century. The increased risk depends on the spatial distribution of the temperature rise with highest sensitivity from tropical Atlantic, Central America, and the Indian Ocean. Statistically downscaling 21st century warming patterns from six climate models results in a twofold to sevenfold increase in the frequency of Katrina magnitude events for a 1 °C rise in global temperature

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/14/5369.full

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forgotten centrist wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:09am:
The second most-powerful hurricane in recorded Atlantic history, coming on the heels of the hurricane with the heaviest rainfall in recorded continental US history, but global warming is a HOAX!

Good luck to any LNFers down in Florida!  Arch, how's it going down there?

Grin Funny, but one of my friends who lives in Florida and voted for Trump told me that God is really changing the atmosphere.  I said to her, no it is not God, it is global warning.
  

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forgotten centrist wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:26am:
I can keep going...



Thanks.  Great smack down. 

It would be nice to imagine that facts were the proper tool for reaching climate deniers but alas .
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 12:29pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:12am:
HAVE YOU HEARD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE ACTUALLY SAY THIS STORM OR THE LAST ONE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING?  IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK.



Why all the yelling?

It's proper to say that a single storm cannot be said to be the product of human induced warming. However a trend can.



  

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forgotten centrist wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:09am:
The second most-powerful hurricane in recorded Atlantic history, coming on the heels of the hurricane with the heaviest rainfall in recorded continental US history, but global warming is a HOAX!

Good luck to any LNFers down in Florida!  Arch, how's it going down there?


Just to play devil's advocate...

...how do the prior number of years of very weak hurricane seasons play into the theory of these representing a trend?  Those seasons were a trend, too, right?
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 2:25pm
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Oh boy more of the climate change Hokey Pokey Hoax. For the last billion years every year is a different type of weather pattern it's what the earth does did man cause the ice age? Does man control earthquakes? Volcanic eruptions? Sea levels? NO its called mother nature and she will keep doing what she's done until the end of time and there's nothing we can do to change it.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 2:26pm
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RWB wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 2:25pm:
Oh boy more of the climate change Hokey Pokey Hoax. For the last billion years every year is a different type of weather pattern it's what the earth does did man cause the ice age? Does man control earthquakes? Volcanic eruptions? Sea levels? NO its called mother nature and she will keep doing what she's done until the end of time and there's nothing we can do to change it.

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Reply #9 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 2:29pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Just to play devil's advocate...

...how do the prior number of years of very weak hurricane seasons play into the theory of these representing a trend?  Those seasons were a trend, too, right?



Fair question.


  

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