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Reply #20 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:28pm
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JohnnyBgood wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 9:15pm:
So if there was no Global Warming records wouldn't ever be broken?

Example of how global warming people hurt their argument by sounding dumber then me.   Wink



No johnny.  It's trends.  Trends of records being broken.

A single record breaking day is but one data point.  But a century of temperatures trending up, the number of category 4 and 5 storms increasing, the steady rise of sea level all are clear indications of climate change.
  

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Reply #21 - Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:37pm
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Willy᾿s Wonka wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:28pm:
No johnny.  It's trends.  Trends of records being broken.

A single record breaking day is but one data point.  But a century of temperatures trending up, the number of category 4 and 5 storms increasing, the steady rise of sea level all are clear indications of climate change. 

BUT it's just normal mother nature climate change
NOT the global warming hoax Al Gore and the fruitcakes are selling.
  

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Reply #22 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:57am
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Frank1 wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
The capitalists really have a hard time admitting that our industrial system is bad for the environment and has a negative effect on it.

Since these people call themselves "conservatives" they give us real conservatives a bad name.

True conservatives are generally more or less luddites.

As Tolkien said: "I side with the trees against all their enemies."


Ah yes, the great scientist, Tolkein.

As far as I'm concerned, it gets hot, and it gets cold.  Sometimes it gets hotter than normal, and sometimes it doesn't.  Same goes for colder than normal and not colder than normal.  People look to blame it on mankind.  I don't wish to do that because it gives we mere mortals too much power.

If anyone knows how to make it colder in the deep south during the summer, I wish they'd tell me because I hate hot weather.  Now we're coming into fall and some cooler days, and I love it.  Does that mean that we have stopped drilling for oil or no longer capitalists or no longer farting as much?  Of course, our fall is normally 3 hrs and 4 sec.  Then winter will be here and it will be a good time for me because the temp will be cold enough for a jacket of varying weight and it won't be hot.  In the winter they don't talk so much about climate warming.  Why is that?  Seems to me if we're having man-made climate change they'd want me to continue with my no drilling, no capitalism and no passing of gas (yeah that' ll be the day for the old lady).

Man has been wanting to control the climate for eons and can't seem to manage to do that.

Bad weather happens ............ a lot.  Always has, always will.  Man doesn't like to not be in control so now they have decided that we can do something about it.  Yeah, good luck on that one.  Oh well, someone (or a lot of someones) will make (or has already made) lotsa money on their ideas and our capitalistic system will continue thriving and helping them to thrive.  Hurricanes, earthquakes, tornados, blizzards, droughts, forest fires will continue to wreak havoc upon us, and someone will put out an idea of blame rather than just saying "Poop happens".

Mankind does like to be in control.  It's a personality fault of us all.
  
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Reply #23 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:20am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:09am:
The second most-powerful hurricane in recorded Atlantic history, coming on the heels of the hurricane with the heaviest rainfall in recorded continental US history, but global warming is a HOAX!

Good luck to any LNFers down in Florida!  Arch, how's it going down there?



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The second most-powerful hurricane in recorded Atlantic history,


So it's possible that there were even bigger hurricanes and more frequent before that?

Pre- history dwarfs recorded history

By the way, it's climate change and NOT Global warming anymore
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Reply #24 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:14am
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crepe05 wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:57am:
Oh well, someone (or a lot of someones) will make (or has already made) lotsa money on their ideas and our capitalistic system will continue thriving and helping them to thrive.  Hurricanes, earthquakes, tornados, blizzards, droughts, forest fires will continue to wreak havoc upon us, and someone will put out an idea of blame rather than just saying "Poop happens".


If you're saying that global-warming-alarmists are doing what they do because they're making money, why do you so casually discount the other side's money?  The transnational fossils-business for one.  They have been making a fortune, they would very much like to continue doing so, and they have paid off schills, bloggers, pseudo-scientists, think tanks, and an array of fake news info-tainers to protect their cash cow.

And there's a lot more money behind them than behind climate scientists.
  

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Reply #25 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:54am
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Luther wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:20am:
Hey buddy, check out what a super volcano can do


Yes.  Because the incidences of super volcano eruptions have been trending up since the industrial revolution.  Roll Eyes


Luther wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:20am:
So it's possible that there were even bigger hurricanes and more frequent before that?


Sure.  And it's possible that the Earth's surface was molten lava.  It possible that the Earth was one gigantic snowball. It's possible that the Earth's atmosphere was at one time poisonous to humans. 

None of which has anything to do with the data and trends we are now seeing.

We're concerned with the period in Earth's history in which humans developed and thrived.


Luther wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:20am:
By the way, it's climate change and NOT Global warming anymore


Warming is driving change.  Both terms are valid and useful.


  

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Reply #26 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:29am
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RWB wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:37pm:
BUT it's just normal mother nature climate change
NOT the global warming hoax Al Gore and the fruitcakes are selling.

Just as the Leftists exploit every tragic incident of school shootings or a cop shooting a black suspect, they immediately begin to exploit every potential crisis of any naturally occurring weather event!  Saul Alinsky only observed the goto position of the Left; Never allow any crisis to go to waste!  (if there is any lull between the storms, the left is very experienced in creating crisis situtations which they can exploit (eg: the removal of all Civil War Statues drew out their anticipated reaction of Right Wing Extremists, so they could tag the President and the entire GOP as Racists and Bigots and fuel their effort to take over Congress in 2018.  Everything's Politicized!
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 12:00pm
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The Original Wally wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:29am:
Everything's Politicized!


When will the Right stop doing that?

  

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Reply #28 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:16pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Sep 6th, 2017 at 11:09am:
The second most-powerful hurricane in recorded Atlantic history, coming on the heels of the hurricane with the heaviest rainfall in recorded continental US history, but global warming is a HOAX!

Good luck to any LNFers down in Florida!  Arch, how's it going down there?



The weather is normal so far. But it was hard to find water to store for drinking, size D and C batteries, ATMs ran out of money, and I went to the bank for some just in case cash, and they had no 50s limited 20s but did have plenty of 5s and hundreds. So you end up with more 100 bills than you want. I was able to buy some stuff a Home Depot and use a 100 dollar bill. I have not seen any problems at gas stations yet, will top it off tomorrow. Mandatory evacuation for Merit Island. That is about 3 miles east of me. I am about a mile and a half west of the Indian River. Indian River is on the west side of Merit Island, and the Banana River is on their east side. And it is not that wide. Beautiful homes there, some million dollar.
With all the research I could do, I am hoping that the wind will be 80mph or less here Sunday with just showers.
I spent a good part of the day yesterday closing storm shutters, and today taking all my wife’s decorations out of our trees and getting all decorations off the walls of our back screened room and put all furniture pillows in the house with her hanging plants so nothing gets blown around or wet.
Other than that , all is fine so far.
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Reply #29 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 5:39am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 10:14am:
If you're saying that global-warming-alarmists are doing what they do because they're making money, why do you so casually discount the other side's money?  The transnational fossils-business for one.  They have been making a fortune, they would very much like to continue doing so, and they have paid off schills, bloggers, pseudo-scientists, think tanks, and an array of fake news info-tainers to protect their cash cow.

And there's a lot more money behind them than behind climate scientists.


Oh. c'mon, in our capitalistic society (of which I heartily approve, by the way), people make money off of every thing.  I'm not going to list it all,  This thread is about hurricanes and climate change.  Of course fossil business makes money.   If I was sitting on top of it, I'd make money, too, if I could.  I have no  idea which side makes more money off of it, and I don't really care.  I suppose that you have a source for your claim of more money being behind the fossil business. Of course, then I'd want to know if you're including the paid demonstrators/rabble rousers/destroyers-of-property-etc., and oh my, we'd be off and running.

My point is that there have always been weather disasters, fires, floods, etc., and to try to blame it on man or climate change is ridiculous.  We are not in control of the weather or the climate or whatever anyone wants to call it.  Heck, we don't even expect our weather men/women to be accurate and they get paid.

This is my first post today.  I'm cranky cuz I didn't sleep well because my brother is in the middle of trying to get out of Florida, and I do have some concerns.  My youngest son lives in Houston, and that wasn't much fun, and now my brother was visiting in Cape Canaveral, and his timing sucked.  I'm not looking for sympathy; just giving an excuse if I get testier than usual.  Oh, and I know I'm not any smarter after losing a lot of sleep so please don't point that out.  Thanks.   Smiley
  
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