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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #20 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:12pm
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
So you're ducking the issue per se of the wall?  I didn't say mexico would pay for the prisons, but their imported goods can be taxed to pay for the wall, as has been pointed out.

Which really means that US consumers pay for a part of the wall.
  

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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #21 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:14pm
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
I didn't say mexico would pay for the prisons, but their imported goods can be taxed to pay for the wall, as has been pointed out.

And it's been pointed out that Congress isn't going to pass a border tax:

"Cornyn also pronounced the Trump administration's proposed 20 percent border tax on imported goods dead in Congress..." (Source).
  
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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #22 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:16pm
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A wall is silly. It's like the drug problem in general. All existing laws do, and the wall would do, is address the symptom not the cause. Why do so many Mexicans risk so much to come to the US? Because things are so bad in Mexico. So where are the plans to help Mexico battle the drug cartels? Help it become a safe place where Mexicans want to remain. I guarantee, if the crime rate in Mexico went down, the cartels were eliminated, and employment went up so that the average Mexican family felt as safe and secure, financially, as the average American the problem would go away.
  
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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #23 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:37pm
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Muckster wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:16pm:
A wall is silly. It's like the drug problem in general. All existing laws do, and the wall would do, is address the symptom not the cause. Why do so many Mexicans risk so much to come to the US? Because things are so bad in Mexico. So where are the plans to help Mexico battle the drug cartels? Help it become a safe place where Mexicans want to remain. I guarantee, if the crime rate in Mexico went down, the cartels were eliminated, and employment went up so that the average Mexican family felt as safe and secure, financially, as the average American the problem would go away.


Excellent post.  I will add that Trump's efforts to shut down NAFTA are not going to help.  NAFTA has gone a long way to lift common living standards in Mexico up to US levels.  This not only helps tamp down the motivations of Mexicans to risk everything for a dubious migration -- it also makes them better customers for US goods.
  

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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #24 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:40pm
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Muckster wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:16pm:
A wall is silly. It's like the drug problem in general. All existing laws do, and the wall would do, is address the symptom not the cause. Why do so many Mexicans risk so much to come to the US? Because things are so bad in Mexico. So where are the plans to help Mexico battle the drug cartels? Help it become a safe place where Mexicans want to remain. I guarantee, if the crime rate in Mexico went down, the cartels were eliminated, and employment went up so that the average Mexican family felt as safe and secure, financially, as the average American the problem would go away.



Legalise drugs.


Buy good quality heroine,  cocain and weed, sell it cheap for a couple of years through government shops, then turn over a moderate - profit business to private sector providers under a fair licensing regime.

Bye bye criminals in drugs.
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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #25 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:44pm
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Muckster wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:16pm:
So where are the plans to help Mexico battle the drug cartels? Help it become a safe place where Mexicans want to remain. I guarantee, if the crime rate in Mexico went down, the cartels were eliminated, and employment went up so that the average Mexican family felt as safe and secure, financially, as the average American the problem would go away.



What you suggest is obviously true.  Conservatives say that that sort of approach gives something for nothing.  Their bootstrap mentality and lack the problem solving skills does not allow for long term solutions.

  
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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #26 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 1:49pm
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Queshank wrote on Sep 7th, 2017 at 7:33am:
Seriously.  I mean it's funny that Trump promised it so comically "Gonna make Mexico pay for it."  "Gonna have a big beautiful door in that big beautiful wall."

But I have yet to hear a Trump supporter actually say why we should build a wall.

Being a 100% open borders guy perhaps has limited my thinking on this issue. 

Can anybody actually lay out a practical benefit to the wall?  One that isn't easily countered by technology as old as civilization like shovels and ladders?

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What's REALLY funny is that kind of drivel got this clown elected!
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 2:26pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 12:08pm:
Nah.  go back and read some of his posts.  Clinton is a hawk and Trump is not.  Right?


Yes, I read many of them.  What is your point?
  
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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #28 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 2:28pm
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wyattstorch2004 wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
Yes, I read many of them.  What is your point? 

I made my point.  What is it about my point that you don't understand?
  

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Re: Is there any practical benefit to building a wall on our southern border?
Reply #29 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 2:31pm
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Wadsworth wrote on Sep 8th, 2017 at 2:28pm:
I made my point.  What is it about my point that you don't understand?


Oh.  I thought you were trying to show that Queshank is a supporter of Trump.  Pointing out that he has pointed out differences in two candidates doesn't prove he is a supporter.
  
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