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Reply #40 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 1:51pm
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glen65 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 1:51pm:
Which is due to lack of evidence. 
 
How do you know?

  
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Reply #41 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 1:58pm
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glen65 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 1:51pm:
Which is due to lack of evidence.   


So the claim Clinton's loss was due to Trump working with Russia to tamper with the election, doesn't fall under the law you're talking about here?


We don't have access to all the evidence Mueller does.  Mueller himself didn't have all the information when he started the investigation.  That is WHY there is an investigation.  There was enough information out there implicating Trump and his team to justify an investigation.  Let's see what they find out.

As for the law Trump might have run afoul of, it doesn't matter whether Clinton lost because of it or not.  It matters whether Trump conspired with the Russians or not, and whether he subsequently tried to obstruct any investigations or not.

At the very least, Trump fired Flynn over it.  (Yeah yeah, he fired him "because he lied to Pence", but he has hired people over far larger objections and fired others over far smaller ones.)  If anyone on Trump's team is demonstrably culpable and convictable, they will be offered immunity in exchange for testimony against Trump himself.  That's the end-game here.
  

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Reply #42 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:01pm
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Demos wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 1:49pm:
The investigation isn't about whether or not alleged collusion caused Hillary's loss. It's about whether there was collusion and any criminal acts, including obstruction of justice.


Those who appointed him don't seem to agree.

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TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download


While this is pretty broad by saying "related matters". However the primary focus here is obviously election tampering. 
  
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Reply #43 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:05pm
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glen65 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:01pm:
Those who appointed him don't seem to agree.

There's nothing in there regarding the impact on Hillary's campaign, because whether or not it caused Hillary's loss doesn't affect whether or not an act was criminal.
  
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Reply #44 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:48pm
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Demos wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:05pm:
There's nothing in there regarding the impact on Hillary's campaign, because whether or not it caused Hillary's loss doesn't affect whether or not an act was criminal.


It's not necessary for the specific wording I used to be present. It should be fairly obviously it was worded in such a way as to not overly restrict its boundaries.

  
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Reply #45 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:52pm
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glen65 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
It's not necessary for the specific wording I used to be present. It should be fairly obviously it was worded in such a way as to not overly restrict its boundaries.

Let me put this more plainly: the investigation is limited to criminal acts, not whether or not collusion contributed to Hillary's loss.
  
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Reply #46 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 3:46pm
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Demos wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:52pm:
Let me put this more plainly: the investigation is limited to criminal acts, not whether or not collusion contributed to Hillary's loss.



And the major or primary "criminal act" alleged to have been committed, focuses on the very election tampering claim I spoke of earlier. It's not something separate from  Mueller's investigation, just because the wording is not as I use here.
  
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Reply #47 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 3:49pm
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Are you suggesting the Russians didn't tamper with the US election?  Because that's been pretty much documented at this point.
  

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Reply #48 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 3:57pm
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glen65 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 3:46pm:
And the major or primary "criminal act" alleged to have been committed, focuses on the very election tampering claim I spoke of earlier. It's not something separate from  Mueller's investigation, just because the wording is not as I use here.

Election tampering is one of the aspects of the investigation. However, the wording you keep using is that they're looking into if it caused Hillary to lose and suggesting they could've found evidence of that already. That's not what the investigation is looking at, because that's a political question not a legal one. Maybe that's not really what you're trying to say; if so, your responses so far have been worded poorly.
  
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Re: Hurricane Mueller is closing in on the White House!
Reply #49 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 4:19pm
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Hurricane Mueller has been downgraded to a tropical storm Nothing to see here folks. ....... move along
  

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