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"Kurdexit" - Kurdish Statehood Referendum
Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:54am
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Is the World Ready for “Kurdexit”? Referendum Among Iraqi Kurds Has Middle East on Edge

...Throughout the summer Iraqi Kurds prepared for a referendum on independence that will be held on Sept. 25. For the better part of a century, Iraq’s Kurds have been trying to undo what the League of Nations did under British pressure in 1925 when it attached the former Ottoman province of Mosul to Iraq [see it's all Limey's fault]. Their incorporation into Iraq has been an unhappy experience for the Kurds, to say the least...

In addition to the mutual frustrations and recriminations is the very fact that there is finally popular support among Iraq’s Kurds to go their own way. Young Kurds, in particular, know nothing about their fellow Iraqis, and have little in common with them. Their national myths are Kurdish myths, not Iraqi legends. In January 2005, something called the Kurdistan Referendum Movement conducted an informal referendum on independence at the same time that Iraqis were voting in the first post-Saddam parliamentary elections. A mere 98.8 percent of the Kurds who took part voted in favor. That exercise was informal, though. The referendum in a few weeks is far more consequential for the stability and unity of Iraq...

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Re: "Kurdexit" - Kurdish Statehood Referendum
Reply #1 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:00pm
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I doubt the Turks are ready.

I would think support for Kurdistan, within the region, would roughly line up with each nations position vis-a-vis Turkey.

If they want to stick it to Turkey, they will support Kurdistan.

  


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Frank1 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
I doubt the Turks are ready.

I would think support for Kurdistan, within the region, would roughly line up with each nations position vis-a-vis Turkey.

If they want to stick it to Turkey, they will support Kurdistan.



It's not that simple. Turkey has carried out a number of joint military training operations with the Iraqi Kurds (until the Iraqi government said to stop). This suggests that a united Kurdistan isn't as likely as it seems. It also suggests that Turkey may have something to gain from a separation vote, even if the Iraqi separation results in more unrest in Turkey.
  
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Possibly Logical wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:45pm:
It's not that simple. Turkey has carried out a number of joint military training operations with the Iraqi Kurds (until the Iraqi government said to stop). This suggests that a united Kurdistan isn't as likely as it seems. It also suggests that Turkey may have something to gain from a separation vote, even if the Iraqi separation results in more unrest in Turkey.


Ok, I really don't know a whole lot of the details.  Basically I just know the Turks have 'Kurd problems.'
  


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Frank1 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Ok, I really don't know a whole lot of the details.  Basically I just know the Turks have 'Kurd problems.'


It's complicated. There are three groups of Kurds (Iraqi, Syrian, Turkish). If I remember correctly, the Iraqi Kurds don't get along with one of other two groups.

Turkey and Iran are on surprisingly good terms given that they are both regional powers and that they backed opposite sides of the Syrian conflict.

Assad isn't particularly keen on losing parts of Syria to the Syrian Kurds.

Turkey and Iraq don't really see eye to eye.

There are a lot of moving parts. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
  
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Re: "Kurdexit" - Kurdish Statehood Referendum
Reply #5 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 3:25pm
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Frank1 wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Ok, I really don't know a whole lot of the details.  Basically I just know the Turks have 'Kurd problems.'



It's equally accurate to say that the Kurds have "Turk problems".



  

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Netanyahu says Israel endorses independence for Kurds

Israel’s leader on Wednesday said his country supports Kurdish independence ahead of a key referendum on the matter.

In an announcement early Wednesday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said Israel considers the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, a terrorist organization. But the statement said Israel “supports the legitimate efforts of the Kurdish people to attain a state of its own"...

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Iraqi Kurdish Parliament Backs Independence Referendum

Lawmakers in Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan region have approved a plan to stage an independence referendum that is opposed by Baghdad and neighboring countries and has raised Western concerns that the vote could stoke fresh tensions in the region.

Jaafar Aimenky, the region's vice president who chaired the September 15 session, announced that the nonbinding referendum would go forward after an overwhelming number of regional lawmakers voted in favor...

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Iraqi Kurds Vote on Secession, Backlash Begins

Iraqi Kurds went to the polls yesterday to vote on a referendum to determine whether or not to initiate a political process to secede from Iraq. While the ballots are still being tallied, the outcome is almost certainly an overwhelming vote in favor of independence; polling places reported high turnout and the mood in Kurdish districts was festive. There would never be a convenient time for Iraq’s Kurds to seek their own state, but the referendum comes at a particularly fraught moment. Many foreign leaders, including those most supportive of the Kurdish cause, discouraged the vote and worried that it would be a reckless provocation despite a full-court press lobbying effort by pro-independence Kurds. Last minute talks supported by the United States to try to reach an arrangement to postpone the referendum failed.

There would never be a convenient time for Iraq’s Kurds to seek their own state, but the referendum comes at a particularly fraught moment.

Now comes the backlash. Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi has ordered Kurdish officials to pass control of border crossings and airports to the central government and has urged foreign countries not to import Kurdish oil. Iraqi troops have also begun moving toward contested areas; last week, Arab leaders in the mixed Arab and Kurdish city of Kirkuk said they would request Baghdad’s protection if the vote went through prompting concerns of a military occupation.

The Kurdistan Regional Government’s neighbors, Iran and Turkey, are also deeply concerned—especially about how the referendum might affect their own Kurdish minorities. Turkey is reportedly coordinating with Iraqi forces to conduct joint drills later in the week and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened military action. “Our military is not [at the border] for nothing,” he said at a conference in Istanbul yesterday. "We could arrive suddenly one night." The Iranian government closed its border crossings with Iraqi Kurdistan in advance of the vote and also carried out military exercises near the border over the weekend in an apparent show of force. There are approximately 8 million Kurds in Iran—nearly as many as in Iraq, they account for 10 percent of the Iranian population. Iranian Kurds celebrated in the streets yesterday in solidarity with the Iraqi vote next door; large rallies went late into the night and some were broken up by security forces.

The Trump administration signalled its frustration with the referendum on Monday. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said that the United States is “deeply disappointed” that the vote was held, but also said it would not affect the U.S.-Kurdish relationship. “The United States' historic relationship with the people of the Iraqi Kurdistan Region will not change in light of today's non-binding referendum, but we believe this step will increase instability and hardships for the Kurdistan region and its people,” she said.

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Re: "Kurdexit" - Kurdish Statehood Referendum
Reply #9 - Sep 26th, 2017 at 3:09pm
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I am waiting for the hypocrisy to begin from Left and Right.
  

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