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Genocide and mass slaughter
Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:05pm
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When is it OK for a Christian to advocate the killing of whole cities full of people?
  

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Reply #1 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 10:27pm
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Are you referring to the nuclear arms race?
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 10:50pm
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Limey wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:05pm:
When is it OK for a Christian to advocate the killing of whole cities full of people?


When they're absolutely sure God told them to do it. And I don't believe God has issued any such instructions to his chosen since well before the incarnation of Christ, and it's only after that time that we technically have Christians. 

I cannot address his reasons for doing so prior to that.  That he did is a matter of historical record if one accepts the Bible as the revealed word of God.  He is not accountable to me, though.  He does what he does because, as he says, "I am that I am."  And as Romans Chapter 9 says, the potter is free to make vessels of honor as well as dishonor from the clay he owns.
  

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EF wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
I cannot address his reasons for doing so prior to that. 


I can. It was due to their extreme depravity.. God warned Israel not to follow the practices of those that they were to destroy or the land would also "vomit them out."  The sins practiced were homosexuality, bestiality, transgenderism, child sacrifice and other abominations.
Christians do not have a mandate under the New Covenant to do the same.. (though some claim they do.  Theonomists and other Dominionist being among them.)
  

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Are you referring to the nuclear arms race?


Well, that's certainly the easiest way to kill an entire city but not the only one.
  

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I can. It was due to their extreme depravity.. God warned Israel not to follow the practices of those that they were to destroy or the land would also "vomit them out."  The sins practiced were homosexuality, bestiality, transgenderism, child sacrifice and other abominations.
Christians do not have a mandate under the New Covenant to do the same.. (though some claim they do.  Theonomists and other Dominionist being among them.)



Interesting how times change.

Nowadays, in our foolishness, we would not put the murder of children on the same level of naughtiness as kissing a guy if you're a guy, or wearing trousers if you're a lady.

Not sure about French - kissing goats, I think that's still fairly badly thought of but probably a consensus would have it as less naughty than murdering children.
  

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I can. It was due to their extreme depravity.. God warned Israel not to follow the practices of those that they were to destroy or the land would also "vomit them out."  The sins practiced were homosexuality, bestiality, transgenderism, child sacrifice and other abominations.
Christians do not have a mandate under the New Covenant to do the same.. (though some claim they do.  Theonomists and other Dominionist being among them.)



Another point : what proportion of the city in question needs to be very naughty in order to justify killing everyone?

I mean, in your example, the children who were going to be murdered in sacrifices were, instead, murdered by Israel.



Seems like the poor little buggers had limited chances.


Would you support such actions now, as a Christian?
  

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Limey wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 6:50am:
Interesting how times change.

Nowadays, in our foolishness, we would not put the murder of children on the same level of naughtiness as kissing a guy if you're a guy, or wearing trousers if you're a lady.

Not sure about French - kissing goats, I think that's still fairly badly thought of but probably a consensus would have it as less naughty than murdering children.

"Naughty"? Really? Can't you think of a stronger word?
  

Non sequitur:

Rodney Your Teas Ready wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 8:05am:
"Naughty"? Really? Can't you think of a stronger word?


"Pesky"?
  

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Limey wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 6:53am:
I mean, in your example, the children who were going to be murdered in sacrifices were, instead, murdered by Israel.
Seems like the poor little buggers had limited chances.
Would you support such actions now, as a Christian?


No. As I said, the New Testament mandate does not call for this.  God is not establishing a Theocracy between now and Christ's 2nd coming.  As for the nations that came under judgement in the Old Testament, this was only a sliver of territory in comparison to the whole Earth.  Israel had no mandate to drive out, punish or get involved in any affairs of nations outside their borders. Abraham was promised that his descendants would inherent the land in 400 hundred years, when the wickedness of the people would finally be judged.. Yes some cities were "dedicated to destruction" for their extreme wickedness.. In most other cases the people were "driven out of the land."
  

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