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Reply #60 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:28am
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One thing is manifest: Atheists don't agree with each other, sometimes they don't even like each other. They are mostly individuals as opposed to members of groups, who seem to share a characteristic: they are not easily swayed by peer pressure, although there are of course numerous exceptions. Religious nuts don't like the idea that there are atheists in the world and that's why more often than not they deny that they even exists saying stuff like "Everyone believes in something or worships something" maybe because they are afraid that someday they could become atheists themselves, in fact it's very close to how they feel about homosexuality. They think of it as "sin" rather than something people can't help being. It's all very similar.  Some of them are even closeted homosexual themselves and it makes them recoil with horror and paradoxically hate homosexuality in others all the more.
  

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Reply #61 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 10:31am
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:28am:
One thing is manifest: Atheists don't agree with each other, sometimes they don't even like each other. They are mostly individuals as opposed to members of groups, who seem to share a characteristic: they are not easily swayed by peer pressure, although there are of course numerous exceptions. Religious nuts don't like the idea that there are atheists in the world and that's why more often than not they deny that they even exists saying stuff like "Everyone believes in something or worships something" maybe because they are afraid that someday they could become atheists themselves, in fact it's very close to how they feel about homosexuality. They think of it as "sin" rather than something people can't help being. It's all very similar.  Some of them are even closeted homosexual themselves and it makes them recoil with horror and paradoxically hate homosexuality in others all the more.


Well, Christians don't always agree with each other, either.  That's why there are so many denominations, ranging from snake-handling foot-washers on one end to stiff-necked prigs on the other.  Maybe even part of the reason for the Irish Troubles, and certainly more than a few reformers were burned at the stake back in the 1500's and 1600's by their Roman Catholic brethren (brethren in the sense they all claimed to be Christians).

I must not be a religious nut because it does not bother me one whit that there are atheists in the world.  But everybody, except maybe the Unabomber and true hermits, belong to some sort of group.  In your case, I would guess it would be like-minded self-worshipers who think they're absolutely without equal in being the sharpest knives in the drawer.  I had to laugh out loud when I read one of your other posts where you accused someone of "arrogance."  You absolutely personify that attribute.  I know it's none of my business but you strike me as a self-important, stuffed-shirt, lapsed Catholic. 


  

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Reply #62 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 10:39am
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Limey wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:04pm:
Actually, there's some solid research on this, which I will look up and link maybe tomorrow (it's late and this phone is crap).


Dawkins has a lot of fun with it in "the God Delusion", I remember chasing up the references.

"Right" and "wrong" are remarkably stable across cultures, and often conflict with religious ideas.




This is the religion forum, so I will opine this:

All of God's creation, even that part of it that denies Him, bears traits He instilled in them.  Some to a greater degree than others, perhaps, but they all do.  One of those is conscience.  A sense of right and wrong.  Some bear it to such a low degree that it's basically non-existent - think Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, child abusers, for example.  But one of reasons the sense of "right and wrong" is remarkably stable across cultures is because all people are God's creatures. 

One of the reasons religions sometimes get in the way of that is people make stuff up for personal gain.  I am thinking Creflo Dollar, Joel O'Steen, Paula White, TD Jakes for modern (and mostly low grade) perpetrators, but for more serious ones how about the "reverends" Jim Jones and Fred Phelps.  (Fred Phelps not so much, actually.  He was just a mean old bastard God finally removed from the vineyard.)

I know, the "genuius" self-worshiping atheists on this board will say that is true of ALL religious beliefs.  I'm okay with that.  This is even the right forum for it.  I await the spittle-flecked deluge that will surely follow. (Not from Limey, mind you.)
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Reply #63 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:38am
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EF wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 10:39am:
This is the religion forum, so I will opine this:

All of God's creation, even that part of it that denies Him, bears traits He instilled in them.  Some to a greater degree than others, perhaps, but they all do.  One of those is conscience.  A sense of right and wrong.  Some bear it to such a low degree that it's basically non-existent - think Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, child abusers, for example.  But one of reasons the sense of "right and wrong' are remarkably stable across cultures is because all people are God's creatures. 

One of the reasons religions sometimes get in the way of that is people make stuff up for personal gain.  I am thinking Creflo Dollar, Joel O'Steen, Paula White, TD Jakes for modern (and mostly low grade) perpetrators, but for more serious ones how about the "reverends" Jim Jones and Fred Phelps.  (Fred Phelps not so much, actually.  He was just a mean old bastard God finally removed from the vineyard.)

I know, the "genuius" self-worshiping atheists on this board will say that is true of ALL religious beliefs.  I'm okay with that.  This is even the right forum for it.  I await the spittle-flecked deluge that will surely follow. (Not from Limey, mind you.)


It takes some kind of sucker to think that the fraudulent/abusive/power hungry/self deluded religious leader is the exception instead of the unbroken rule. There isn't one of them be it in the present or in the past that didn't have an obvious ulterior motive and/or was a nut case of one sort or another.
  

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Reply #64 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:44am
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:30am:
You are just an imbecile.


Oh yeah???????

Neener neener neener!
  

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Reply #65 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:48am
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:38am:
It takes some kind of sucker to think that the fraudulent/abusive/power hungry/self deluded religious leader is the exception instead of the unbroken rule. There isn't one of them be it in the present or in the past that didn't have an obvious ulterior motive and/or was a nut case of one sort or another.


Hmmm.  Took almost an hour.  Longer than I thought it would.
  

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Reply #66 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:53am
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EF wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:48am:
Hmmm.  Took almost an hour.  Longer than I thought it would.


I know it's a foreign notion to you but I happen to have a life.
  

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Reply #67 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:56am
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EF wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:44am:
Oh yeah???????

Neener neener neener!


yeah, I know that it's a reference to some stupid tv show, I wish I didn't.

I hate you for making me check this.
  

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Reply #68 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:56am
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:53am:
I know it's a foreign notion to you but I happen to have a life.


Well, you average 12 posts a day on this kind of entertainment.
  

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Reply #69 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:58am
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EF wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:56am:
Well, you average 12 posts a day on this kind of entertainment.



So?

(hey that's one more!)
  

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