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Re: Conversation: Homophobes are idiots, yes/no discuss,
Reply #70 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:59am
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 11:56am:
yeah, I know that it's a reference to some stupid tv show, I wish I didn't.

I hate you for making me check this.


Let me know what you find out in between spurts of "living your life."
  

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Reply #71 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:03pm
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:00pm:
Boy, are you inept.


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Reply #72 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:09pm
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Well, I can't really do spittle flecked. Not my idiom, nor my métier.


We are back to the absolute beginning, which is that you believe - and for believing, proving is irrelevant except as comfort - something.
In this case, that God put conscience in the template.

Thus, the uniformity of "right" and "wrong" across cultures.

You could see that the opposite view, which is that, given conscience is independent of religion maybe that hints at "good" being independent of God?


  

Under Capitalism, Man exploits Man.

Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Reply #73 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:14pm
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Limey wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
Well, I can't really do spittle flecked. Not my idiom, nor my métier.


We are back to the absolute beginning, which is that you believe - and for believing, proving is irrelevant except as comfort - something.
In this case, that God put conscience in the template.

Thus, the uniformity of "right" and "wrong" across cultures.

You could see that the opposite view, which is that, given conscience is independent of religion maybe that hints at "good" being independent of God?




Well, the one true God has naught to do with most religions, for that matter.  I would certainly agree that "conscience" is independent of "religion," but I will not take it as a given (nor did you say it was, for that matter) that "conscience" is independent of God.  Nor would I take it as a given (I bet you wouldn't, either) that good is independent of conscience. 

And you're right.  I seek not to prove anything.  Way above my pay grade.
  

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Reply #74 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:16pm
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
You are nothing.


Where does that rank with imbecile and inept?  I would say nothing is the worst.  Can't really decide on the other two.  But the other two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.  If one is nothing one cannot be an inept imbecile, though.

Interesting food for thought.  How do you tell an inept imbecile from an ept one?
  

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Reply #75 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 16th, 2017 at 5:49pm:
One moment you want to attempt to use science, ie global warming, the next you want to dismiss science.  You libs are never consistent.
Your ignorance is astounding. Now I know why you want to hide in your Christians only forum.

I think if you can't discuss in a serious and informed manner in this general religion forum, then you should either stick to the safety of your Christian forum, or we'll need to ask the admins to remove your access to this forum.
  
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Re: Conversation: Homophobes are idiots, yes/no discuss,
Reply #76 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 3:42pm
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Muckster wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
Your ignorance is astounding. Now I know why you want to hide in your Christians only forum.

I think if you can't discuss in a serious and informed manner in this general religion forum, then you should either stick to the safety of your Christian forum, or we'll need to ask the admins to remove your access to this forum.

There is no limit to they hypocrisy of the left as I clearly demonstrated and if you don't like it talk to admin.  I always encourage you or anyone else to take up issues with him, it is his forum.  If the shoe fits wear it with pride.  I have zero patience with insults so if this is your forte, you are in the wrong forum.  Want to be edited, act like an arse then watch your posts disappear.  It does you or Bow no favor complaining about edits of your vulgarity or personal attacks.
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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #77 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 5:53pm
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Limey wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:04pm:
Actually, there's some solid research on this, which I will look up and link maybe tomorrow (it's late and this phone is crap).


Dawkins has a lot of fun with it in "the God Delusion", I remember chasing up the references.

"Right" and "wrong" are remarkably stable across cultures, and often conflict with religious ideas.


There are some basic notions which are (more or less) required for a stable society.  I would expect those to be relatively similar from group to group.  Outside of that, I'm all ears.
  

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Reply #78 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 1:36pm
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Running Deer wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 5:53pm:
There are some basic notions which are (more or less) required for a stable society.  I would expect those to be relatively similar from group to group.  Outside of that, I'm all ears.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4766490.stm

Above is a non scholarly article with links. It's about altruism explicitly rather than morality.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2006/10/31/health/psychology/31book.html


Same for the above, but it's focused on morality.


Sorry, I had a file of links garnered for a similar conversation recently on another board (yes I have been cheating on you LNF) but I can't find it.

  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: Conversation: Homophobes are idiots, yes/no discuss,
Reply #79 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 6:53pm
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I don't think these links contradict anything.  They indicate that most humans have some common inherent traits, but our societies strongly condition how we perceive right and wrong.

However, one of the links talks about "adultery" as a cross-cultural value.  I don't really buy it.  Pederasty by married men was fine in Sparta but horrifies us.  Historically, Christianity has considered remarrying after divorce to be adultery.  Islam never did.  And so on.  Every culture has rules about permissible and impermissible sexual relationships, but those rules often differ by quite a bit.  The variance in what is officially-wrong-but-winked-at is even greater.
  

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