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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #30 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:16am
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Limey wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 10:17pm:
Maybe he thinks you're cute.


Slip over to a less sacred forum and post a selfie.


You have to admit that that kind of behavior betrays a fragile ego and a lack of self-assurance.
  

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The Hamster is at it Again wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #31 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 3:17am
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 12:16am:
You have to admit that that kind of behavior betrays a fragile ego and a lack of self-assurance.



Nah, different rules on this forum.

Fair enough.


Religion is a bit more robust and the main forum, no gloves.

It's OK.
  

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Under Communism, it's the exact opposite.
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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #32 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 3:50am
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To go back to the subject at hand. It's amazing how little of paleontology is actually understood by its religious detractors. For instance they don't get that have been discovered and identified more than seven HUNDRED of species of dinosaurs, as diverse as the mammals are today. In fact dinosaurs in their heydays were everywhere, on the ground, in the air, on water, under water, everywhere . All the ecological niches were occupied by beings faster, bigger and stronger than any mammal occupying a similar niche today. I cited the T.Rex as a remarkable example. For a T.Rex an elephant would have been an easy prey, much easier than it's usual ones like the stegosaurus with it's thick carapace and its tail ornate with pikes. In fact it would have been much easier for most dinosaur predators to go after mammals and specifically men than after their usual preys.

You know what a T. Rex would have called  one of these villages of huts that our ancestors used to live in? A shopping mall. Sure, today with our modern weapons we could kill those beasts easily, with bazookas or those big explosive bullets but with what they had a few millennia ago? No way!

As for the cliché that these dinosaurs all had a brain the size of a walnut, it only show the willful ignorance of those who use it. Some of these dinosaurs were quite smart, especially the smaller ones, like the Deinonychus (what was incorrectly called Velociraptor in the movie Jurassic Park) for example and it wouldn't have been easy for primitive men to escape them for long, not long enough to make children at any rate.

If you think that all that fauna (millions of specimens) can be explained away by a couple of obscure mentions in the bible, you are delusional beyond belief. Did I mention the gigantic ferns and all sorts of tropical plants that were found all over the earth and that had disappeared as well? Yeah, the climate was tropical , IE very hot and rainy, all over the world and that why gigantic beasts were thriving and smaller ones like today's mammals couldn't even exist.

I know in advance that all of this will fall on deaf ears, rendered deaf by willful ignorance and superstition not to mention the ironical arrogance that's always there to boot.

After the destruction of dinosaurs by the crash of a giant meteorite and the long winter caused by the giant dust cloud that lingered for a couple of years following the crash, a void was left that the short lived, warm blooded mammals, the size of rats, occupied during the millions of years that followed. It was an opportunity that may not have happened, in which case the world would probably still be dominated by dinosaurs and mammals would still be insignificant burrowing rats. For all we know there could be countless planets out there where such dramatic change never happened. It's possible then that the dinosaurs would have developed an intelligent species and developed a civilization comparable to ours... But that's just speculation.
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The Hamster is at it Again wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #33 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 6:44am
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 19th, 2017 at 11:46am:
"Intelligent design" is a fraud. People who perpetuate it are either crooks or dupes with a crappy understanding of the sciences and a gigantic ego.

There are many many other reasons why dinosaurs couldn't possibly be contemporaneous with man. I just gave the one requiring the less subtlety and the iffiest understanding of the scientific world in general.

And evolution is a lie.  The major flaw is that life happened accidently.
  


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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #34 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 8:25am
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 6:44am:
And evolution is a lie.  The major flaw is that life happened accidently.


You're aware that your views represent a very small minority even among Christians, aren't you?
  

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The Hamster is at it Again wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #35 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 4:03pm
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
You're aware that your views represent a very small minority even among Christians, aren't you?

Are you aware I could care less?  I mean if wanting people to like you is what matters most to you you are talking to the wrong person.
  


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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #36 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 7:29pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 4:03pm:
Are you aware I could care less?  I mean if wanting people to like you is what matters most to you you are talking to the wrong person.


I think you mean you COULDN'T care less.  But carry on.

I, on the other hand, probably could care less, but not much.  And if I did, I would soon be at the point where I couldn't care less. 
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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #37 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 7:55pm
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BowHunter wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 3:50am:
To go back to the subject at hand. It's amazing how little of paleontology is actually understood by its religious detractors. For instance they don't get that have been discovered and identified more than seven HUNDRED of species of dinosaurs, as diverse as the mammals are today. In fact dinosaurs in their heydays were everywhere, on the ground, in the air, on water, under water, everywhere . All the ecological niches were occupied by beings faster, bigger and stronger than any mammal occupying a similar niche today. I cited the T.Rex as a remarkable example. For a T.Rex an elephant would have been an easy prey, much easier than it's usual ones like the stegosaurus with it's thick carapace and its tail ornate with pikes. In fact it would have been much easier for most dinosaur predators to go after mammals and specifically men than after their usual preys.

You know what a T. Rex would have called  one of these villages of huts that our ancestors used to live in? A shopping mall. Sure, today with our modern weapons we could kill those beasts easily, with bazookas or those big explosive bullets but with what they had a few millennia ago? No way!

As for the cliché that these dinosaurs all had a brain the size of a walnut, it only show the willful ignorance of those who use it. Some of these dinosaurs were quite smart, especially the smaller ones, like the Deinonychus (what was incorrectly called Velociraptor in the movie Jurassic Park) for example and it wouldn't have been easy for primitive men to escape them for long, not long enough to make children at any rate.

If you think that all that fauna (millions of specimens) can be explained away by a couple of obscure mentions in the bible, you are delusional beyond belief. Did I mention the gigantic ferns and all sorts of tropical plants that were found all over the earth and that had disappeared as well? Yeah, the climate was tropical , IE very hot and rainy, all over the world and that why gigantic beasts were thriving and smaller ones like today's mammals couldn't even exist.

I know in advance that all of this will fall on deaf ears, rendered deaf by willful ignorance and superstition not to mention the ironical arrogance that's always there to boot.

After the destruction of dinosaurs by the crash of a giant meteorite and the long winter caused by the giant dust cloud that lingered for a couple of years following the crash, a void was left that the short lived, warm blooded mammals, the size of rats, occupied during the millions of years that followed. It was an opportunity that may not have happened, in which case the world would probably still be dominated by dinosaurs and mammals would still be insignificant burrowing rats. For all we know there could be countless planets out there where such dramatic change never happened. It's possible then that the dinosaurs would have developed an intelligent species and developed a civilization comparable to ours... But that's just speculation.


First highlight - world might be a better place were it so.

Second highlight - cute animated movie about that very subject.  I can't recall the name of it, but my grandkids like it.  I've seen it more than once myself, watching it with one or more of them.

The civilization in that movie wasn't much "developed," though.  Not even the "yeoman farmer" ideal of Thos. Jefferson.  Look at T Rex, for example.  How could that thing ever type on a keyboard?  And I saw a neat cartoon once - Two T Rexes were talking.  One had on a nice red cap (probably said "Make American Great Again" on it.)  They're standing there looking fercious with those silly little arms.  The one not wearing the hat says "Love your hat.  But how the heck did you put it on?"


Found it.  The good dinosaur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1iCZErl7y0
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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #38 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 3:17am
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EF wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 7:55pm:
First highlight - world might be a better place were it so.

Second highlight - cute animated movie about that very subject.  I can't recall the name of it, but my grandkids like it.  I've seen it more than once myself, watching it with one or more of them.

The civilization in that movie wasn't much "developed," though.  Not even the "yeoman farmer" ideal of Thos. Jefferson.  Look at T Rex, for example.  How could that thing ever type on a keyboard?  And I saw a neat cartoon once - Two T Rexes were talking.  One had on a nice red cap (probably said "Make American Great Again" on it.)  They're standing there looking fercious with those silly little arms.  The one not wearing the hat says "Love your hat.  But how the heck did you put it on?"


Found it.  The good dinosaur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1iCZErl7y0


Note that I never said that T.Rexes would have been the intelligent species. At any rate it would not have been an actual species but one evolved from one of those. Like we evolved from the lemur. in that world, T.Rexes would be the equivalent of our lions, tigers and bears...    oh my!

BTW, apes are not our ancestors, they're our genetic cousins with only two percent of their DNA different from ours. They are the closest animals to humans, genetically speaking, because the most intelligent ones are likely the dolphins. The dolphins could have supplanted us because they existed long before we did but fortunately for us they live in water and it's not possible to develop the kind of civilization we did in water, plus they don't have prehensile limbs to speak of.
  

Non sequitur:

The Hamster is at it Again wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:30am:
... that has less power than a hair dryer used by a eunuch.



Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Feb 5th, 2017 at 5:40pm:
...that makes me a moron.
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Re: Can Soft Tissue Last Millions of Years?
Reply #39 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 6:28am
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EF wrote on Sep 20th, 2017 at 7:29pm:
I think you mean you COULDN'T care less.  But carry on.

I, on the other hand, probably could care less, but not much.  And if I did, I would soon be at the point where I couldn't care less. 


So why the initials rather then the name?

  


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