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Re: What is LNF, and how does it survive?
Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 7:53am
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patrick2 wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:59am:
In the time I've been here, I've seen the quality of posts gradually decline.  There are certain people here who only want to engage in pissing contests, not debate.

I left LNF for quite some time because I got bored with the "pissing contest" during the primary.  I just got busy doing more in my real life and far less on the computer 

I was glad to come back and enjoyed contributing to the threads and reading and commenting on the views expressed by those I agreed with as well as those I do not (agree with)

Unfortunately, it seems that a very few regulars are only contributing insults and no real substance.  I choose to be less involved, hoping the Liberty community will reject these hijackers.  (I don't advocate ADMIN kicking them because I loathe censorship).  In time the site will get better as those who have much more substance to offer, ignore the childish attacks of the Middle Schoolers!  (Responding to such Trolls only feed the Beast!)

As far as the future of LNF, all those who have come and gone through the many years know that what is good with this forum far outweighs what is not.  The distractions intended to derail good arguments and discussions are minor annoyances, just as the RESIT MOVEMENT and ANTI FREE SPEECH demonstrations (RIOTS) are not going to shut me up, but I'm never going to allow the Aggitaters to aggitate me as much as they HOPE & BELIEVED they can.  Things CHANGE for the better eventually,becuse this artificial provocation is only sustainable if they get their desired reaction.  "Tickle a frog on the ass and it goes..BOING!

Give 'em Hell, Harry!
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Re: What is LNF, and how does it survive?
Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 11:59am
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I Wish You A Harry Christmas wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 1:44am:
I apologize for the errors in my last post. I didn't have perfection in my eyes.

What I do have in my sight is what used to be here. I've argued about it many times, some, such as Mercy, claimed it never existed. I experienced it. I lived it. I PMed with Rick. I messaged with those that disagreed with me that abortion is murder. I talked to these people. I tried to see why they feel the way they do.

I'm not sure how this magic happened, and honestly, I'm not sure it did. It's been a long while, and I may just remember a dream. My memory tells me that I made some connections though. I was there, and we talked.

We don't do that anymore. We shout. This is me! You're an idiot!

Why did we stop the conversation? What happened in the last few years that caused us to shut each other out?

I was excited, a few months back to see an old poster post. I was so excited that I PMed him and asked him to continue. He did, and I'm sorry to say that he just spouts the party line. No real thought, as I expected, just the ordinary rote. Nothing really... rote. MoJo.

I don't expect new, new probably doesn't exist. I expect common sense. New hasn't existed for so long, that we can at least find common sense in what is already there, right?


My irony meter busted a long time ago, but if it was still working, this would finish it off.  If you're the Harry I think you are, anyway.
  

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Re: What is LNF, and how does it survive?
Reply #12 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 12:00pm
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BowHunter wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 3:30am:
Yeah, and ironically, harry and you are two of them.

I agree with you Bow, but you're kinda one, too.  Kinda.
  

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Re: What is LNF, and how does it survive?
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patrick2 wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 3:41am:
I'll engage in a REAL debate with you any time if it's a subject I'm interested in, but experience has shown that you are unwilling/unable to do so.  Roll Eyes


Give a list of subjects from which to pick and let's see what happens.  I am betting a two way pissing contest between you and Bow.
  

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Re: What is LNF, and how does it survive?
Reply #14 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 1:32pm
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Harry is an interesting character. He is highly intelligent, yet he is deeply flawed.
He rises above the crowd, interestingly enough, for both reasons. He has always been,
and will continue to be, one of my favorite people on this or any forum. He was also
one of the favorites of two of my other all time favorites, LadyLawyer and Rick.
He is special. But for all his gifts, he is also deeply conflicted and tragically insecure.
He also might drink too much or too often, but then, who am I to say? There
but by the Grace of God go I, and so I will be the last to judge him or cast
aspersions on anyone for that. Yes, he is trollish. No, I don't know that he
sees it that way. He thinks that he is smarter than pretty much all of us,
and in his insecurity he sees any assault on his ideas, logic or conclusions
as an attack on him personally. So he lashes out. He lashes out and he gets
a response and that response validates him and so he keeps lashing out
and in that way he gains recognition and he keeps himself at the center
of attention and he feels that he is a force to be reckoned with, if only on
this tiny little insignificant internet forum. But guess what? I don't mind,
because by exposing himself as he does, whether he realizes that he is
doing it or not, he has made people here think or laugh or cringe or worse . . .
but he has been, whether anyone likes it or not, the heartbeat of this place
for most of the time I have been coming here and he has given many people
a reason to click on this forum and to think, laugh, cringe or worse with him.

I love the guy. It's no secret. I don't like posting here when he's not around.
I have returned in my most recognizable persona several times to try and bring
him back or to bring him out of the shadows. While admin doesn't pay me to
do it, and while he might even deny that I have fulfilled this very function
for the good of the forum in the past, I have happily come back here several
times over the years for that very reason. To me, LNF is not LNF without Harry.

So no matter what he says, or no matter how much he decries the very behavior
of which he is often the most guilty, I give you the one . . . the only . . . Harry!

Long may he wave.

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Re: What is LNF, and how does it survive?
Reply #15 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:26pm
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President in Exile Bama Beau wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
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Harry is an interesting character. He is highly intelligent, yet he is deeply flawed.
He rises above the crowd, interestingly enough, for both reasons. He has always been,
and will continue to be, one of my favorite people on this or any forum. He was also
one of the favorites of two of my other all time favorites, LadyLawyer and Rick.
He is special. But for all his gifts, he is also deeply conflicted and tragically insecure.
He also might drink too much or too often, but then, who am I to say? There
but by the Grace of God go I, and so I will be the last to judge him or cast
aspersions on anyone for that. Yes, he is trollish. No, I don't know that he
sees it that way. He thinks that he is smarter than pretty much all of us,
and in his insecurity he sees any assault on his ideas, logic or conclusions
as an attack on him personally. So he lashes out. He lashes out and he gets
a response and that response validates him and so he keeps lashing out
and in that way he gains recognition and he keeps himself at the center
of attention and he feels that he is a force to be reckoned with, if only on
this tiny little insignificant internet forum. But guess what? I don't mind,
because by exposing himself as he does, whether he realizes that he is
doing it or not, he has made people here think or laugh or cringe or worse . . .
but he has been, whether anyone likes it or not, the heartbeat of this place
for most of the time I have been coming here and he has given many people
a reason to click on this forum and to think, laugh, cringe or worse with him.

I love the guy. It's no secret. I don't like posting here when he's not around.
I have returned in my most recognizable persona several times to try and bring
him back or to bring him out of the shadows. While admin doesn't pay me to
do it, and while he might even deny that I have fulfilled this very function
for the good of the forum in the past, I have happily come back here several
times over the years for that very reason. To me, LNF is not LNF without Harry.

So no matter what he says, or no matter how much he decries the very behavior
of which he is often the most guilty, I give you the one . . . the only . . . Harry!

Long may he wave.

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Thanks for the interesting read. It's always interesting when you get to see yourself through the eyes of another. I kinda disagree with parts of your analysis, but over all, it's spot on.

I do love trolling the trolls. I hate self-important people. Those that cannot laugh at themselves are doomed.

This isn't about me, though. This is about the future of the forum.
  
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Re: What is LNF, and how does it survive?
Reply #16 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:43pm
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I Wish You A Harry Christmas wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
Thanks for the interesting read. It's always interesting when you get to see yourself through the eyes of another. I kinda disagree with parts of your analysis, but over all, it's spot on.

I do love trolling the trolls. I hate self-important people. Those that cannot laugh at themselves are doomed.

This isn't about me, though. This is about the future of the forum.


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I think you are much like most of us in that we tend to dislike, criticize or attack other people more
when they display the character or personality traits that we most dislike within ourselves.

I also want to say that I just love how you started off your original contribution to this thread:

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I came here from a private forum run by a gay guy.


I'm not sure why you started out there, or why it cracks me up to read it . . .
I just know that it does crack me up. Anyway, I'm glad that you took my response
above in the spirit in which it was offered. LNF just wouldn't be LNF without you.

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Reply #17 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:48pm
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President in Exile Bama Beau wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:43pm:
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I think you are much like most of us in that we tend to dislike, criticize or attack other people more
when they display the character or personality traits that we most dislike within ourselves.

I also want to say that I just love how you started off your original contribution to this thread:


I'm not sure why you started out there, or why it cracks me up to read it . . .
I just know that it does crack me up. Anyway, I'm glad that you took my response
above in the spirit in which it was offered. LNF just wouldn't be LNF without you.

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I started that way because it's the truth. It was the first political forum I ever belonged to. Lots of interesting interaction, but it was mostly liberal, and I gradually lost interest.

LNF, as flawed as it may be, is the most interesting place I've ever encountered on the internets.

  
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Re: What is LNF, and how does it survive?
Reply #18 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 4:07pm
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I Wish You A Harry Christmas wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
LNF, as flawed as it may be, is the most interesting place I've ever encountered on the internets.



I would agree. Facebook has overtaken it, in my view, though. There are so many more people there and you can find groups with great discussions. I have learned a great deal through facebook groups, and met some awesome people.

I don't worry about LNF for a second. It's a wonderful place.

And it will continue to be wonderful.

LNF is a lot like life. It's largely what you make it.

If you go looking to slay trolls, you will attract trolls and only those kinds of discussions and then LNF will be that for you. But if you treat it as a place to share ideas and discuss things like a mature adult, it can be that too.

I lapse and get into the gutter every now and then but generally speaking I find this place to very adaptable. You get out of it what you put in.


  

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Reply #19 - Oct 7th, 2017 at 4:11pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Oct 7th, 2017 at 4:07pm:
I would agree. Facebook has overtaken it, in my view, though. There are so many more people there and you can find groups with great discussions. I have learned a great deal through facebook groups, and met some awesome people.

I don't worry about LNF for a second. It's a wonderful place.

And it will continue to be wonderful.

LNF is a lot like life. It's largely what you make it.

If you go looking to slay trolls, you will attract trolls and only those kinds of discussions and then LNF will be that for you. But if you treat it as a place to share ideas and discuss things like a mature adult, it can be that too.

I lapse and get into the gutter every now and then but generally speaking I find this place to very adaptable. You get out of it what you put in.




I think some here portray a character. Instead of speaking what they think and being who they are, they instead conform to what they what they think others would like them to be.

I guess you could say that I think some bend to peer pressure.
  
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